Bulk? Cut? Both? [Scratching my head]

[d_ant11]

Hey Bro's and Bra's! and all the ladies here too!

Thanks to all posters and mods for the priceless info on this site. I gotta say I am a tad bit overwhelmed with all the info though. I have a hard time discerning what I should be listening to and what not to when it comes to lifting, eating, gear, etc. So many opinions and theories out there.

So I did my first ever cycle...tren 0.5cc eod for 4 weeks. Loved the results and the sides were very manageable for me. Low libido, irritable, and insomnia at some points. Last injection 2 weeks ago and im back to normal as far as how I feel. No PCT and not sure what to do for maintenance. Not sure about blood work but since it was a low dose I think im good. I don't drink, smoke, scripts, etc. I do have low blood sugar/hypoglycemia. Athletic/coordinated and I hit the gym hard. Mon,tues,thurs,fri workout with 2 different wkouts twice a week. Didn't do any cardio. I do alternating sets with little rest in between sets so my HR gets up there for cardio????

36 yrs old Male, 5'9", 212lbs, 20-25% bf (need to test). Most of that fat is in midsection. Diet - have a hard time eating enough good cals and protein. I would say im at 150gms protein per day right now. Still eating some fast food...no sugary foods or soda. 1.5 gallons of water per day and about 5,000mg vitamin c(pure absorbic acid).

Sample of meals in average day:

Meal 1 - 2 cups 2% milk with 30g whey protein with a banana
Meal 2 - Turkey on ten grain bread with mustard and mayo or double cheeseburger with yogurt parfait
Meal 3 - 2 cups milk with 30g protein
Meal 4 - Chicken breast and pasta or steak and veggies with salad or fast food again
Meal 5 - Protien shake post workout
Meal 6 - Sometimes I will eat some carbs before bed......ouch!

I can lose fairly easy with diet and cardio but I tend to lose way too much muscle and still have that layer of fat everywhere. I have a super hard time gaining muscle and strength....genetics i believe. Been lifting off and on for 20years. Very active still....skiing, golf, softball, basketball, 5 kids.

I have access to tren and test right now. Wondering about Need2slin....looks like it might be for me but I wanna hear it from a pro.

So here's my dilemma....please advise. - Looking for a good cycle with low dose, short cycle, with long off cycle. I like to keep things as simple as possible. Minimizing the long term side effects hopefully. Do I need a PCT as well with low doses. PCT and AI are over my head right now as I haven't been able to talk to anyone knowledgeable bout that. Even though I've read it I still can't comprehend it yet.

I would like to know too based on the cycle should I be working on - cutting, bulking, or both at the same time? I'm game for the most efficient way of getting rid of this fat and gaining muscle.

Sorry for the long post and I look forward to getting some input.

Thanks!

 

[Blaster22]

Diet and cardio before using AAS. Get your bf below 15% the try again. Also should do Test as your first cycle. I'm doing it now as my first and am loving the results. Also was able to get bf down low so I am very happy.

 

[d_ant11]

Diet and cardio before using AAS. Get your bf below 15% the try again. Also should do Test as your first cycle. I'm doing it now as my first and am loving the results. Also was able to get bf down low so I am very happy.

I like your advice.....I definitely want to play it safe. I like doing about 20-30 of hiit on stationary bike in the morning before I eat and then lift at night. Is there a better way to melt off the fat without losing a whole lot of muscle? I expect to lose some but want to keep it minimal.

What are your or anyone else's thoughts on that?

 

[Boxingheels]

Bro why would you ever do a cycle and not have pct lined up. Especially something as strong as Tren. You need to work on diet and achieve a lower bf percentage. You also need to do a lot more research before you think about doing another cycle.

 

[d_ant11]

Bro why would you ever do a cycle and not have pct lined up. Especially something as strong as Tren. You need to work on diet and achieve a lower bf percentage. You also need to do a lot more research before you think about doing another cycle.

I appreciate your input. No disrespect but did you see the dose I was on bro? I felt very confident with my decision....still do.

as far as research goes....why do you think I'm on here asking? Btw...with a low dose, short cycle I can cut fat with tren and gain muscle without suppressing that much....according to the research I did do.

I am curious what extra risks are present at 20%-25% bf vs 15%.

 

[EZ_E]

I like your advice.....I definitely want to play it safe. I like doing about 20-30 of hiit on stationary bike in the morning before I eat and then lift at night. Is there a better way to melt off the fat without losing a whole lot of muscle? I expect to lose some but want to keep it minimal.

What are your or anyone else's thoughts on that?

Yup, drop the fats food. If need be you can ween yourself off if you have a hard time going cold turkey...

Also, NEVER, EVER run tren alone and NEVER skip PCT.

Glad you've come to EF, you'll learn how to do things right around here....check out the diet and training forums

Welcome aboard...

~EZ

 

[Boxingheels]

I appreciate your input. No disrespect but did you see the dose I was on bro? I felt very confident with my decision....still do.

as far as research goes....why do you think I'm on here asking? Btw...with a low dose, short cycle I can cut fat with tren and gain muscle without suppressing that much....according to the research I did do.

I am curious what extra risks are present at 20%-25% bf vs 15%.

The reason I questioned your cycle is for a few reasons my friend.

1. No pct. In everything that you should have read you would know you always need a pct.
2. You did give us your dose of Tren bro, you gave us a measurement. I don't know the mgs per cc so....
3. Tren would never be a good aas to start with as a first cycle.
4. To lose weight your diet is 80% of it. Using something like Tren is not the answer and to hear you say thAt makes me question what you know.

But your in the right place my friend. I just really think you have started on the wrong foot. Stick around here and learn for a while bro. Don't even think about another cycle for a while.

 

[d_ant11]

Yup, drop the fats food. If need be you can ween yourself off if you have a hard time going cold turkey...

Also, NEVER, EVER run tren alone and NEVER skip PCT.

Glad you've come to EF, you'll learn how to do things right around here....check out the diet and training forums

Welcome aboard...

~EZ

thank EZ! Glad to be here....i'll be hangin in the diet forums for the next few weeks.

 

[d_ant11]

The reason I questioned your cycle is for a few reasons my friend.

1. No pct. In everything that you should have read you would know you always need a pct.
2. You did give us your dose of Tren bro, you gave us a measurement. I don't know the mgs per cc so....
3. Tren would never be a good aas to start with as a first cycle.
4. To lose weight your diet is 80% of it. Using something like Tren is not the answer and to hear you say thAt makes me question what you know.

But your in the right place my friend. I just really think you have started on the wrong foot. Stick around here and learn for a while bro. Don't even think about another cycle for a while.

sounds like you know your stuff and that's why I'm glad I found this site. Thanks again for the advice and clarification.

 

[Boxingheels]

sounds like you know your stuff and that's why I'm glad I found this site. Thanks again for the advice and clarification.

No problem bro. Stick around and if you ever have a question you can pm me and if I know I will help but if not mods like RADAR can always help you out. Glad you are here to learn.