2iu of gh for 6 months - use insulin or not?? (ironmaster)

[Miracle Man]

notatrase: I do not use slin with Hgh at all. I already 255 lbs, no need to get bigger.

................"Some of the most widely regarded, and experienced, Hormone Replacement Therapy physicians direct that hGH be used at bedtime. They see this time of administration as enhancing the effect of hGH, rather than diminishing it. Another recommended time of administration is immediately upon waking up in the morning. It has been shown that there is a natural spike in natural hGH production, then, and, again, it is felt that exogenous administration, at this time, enhances it. ".....................

Ok, we use Hgh to get big. HRT is a whole different game. We assume young BB still have there natural IGF-1 levels high. By administering Hgh at night, you compromise your natural production while sleeping. If you suffer from AGHD (adult Gh deficiency) you are not producing Hgh at night so you replace it synthetically.

As far as Seristim is concerned, all the studies have been in AIDS patients. Immune compromised people who have severe hormonal deficiencies altogether. To mimic a normal hormonal Hgh balance and release. They administer there Hgh at night just like the pituetary glad is supposed to do.

You can't compare the usage of Hgh in BB vs HRT & AIDS patients. Two different premises and ball games.

Think about this. By administering the Hgh during the day, will allow you to have a consistent flow of Hgh at all times. You work out during the day or early morning correct? By having your IGF-1 levels high during the day, you will benifit from the weight training much better if you administer at night. Let your natural Hgh release take care of that. By administering at night, you have nothing during the day. Again the idea is to maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times. Not to spike it.

Another problem is people do not get their IGF-1 levels tested at the doctors office. You have no idea were you are. That can really help you determine how much Hgh to administer or not. Everyone just shoots from the hip and does not take a medical approach to Hgh therapy.

 

[Miracle Man]

Ok, guys, just thought of this one. Since I will be using the GH/insulin as a bridge, my HPTA will be recovering during its period of use.
This raises another interesting question. That is, if I will be taking HCG/nolvadex for HPTA recovery, will the IGF-1-lowering effect of the nolvadex cancel out the anabolism that may be caused by the GH? Any suggestions? Perhaps do the HCG and nolvadex prior to starting the GH, or do you think I will be ok?

You loose approx 18% of your IGF-1 levels to anti-e usage. It does not cancel out the Hgh altogether and make it a waist of time. You can just increase your Hgh usage by 20% to make up the difference if your pocket can afford it.

 

[ironmaster]

I'm gonna answer all these questions, but not tonight.....too wasted.

 

[notatrase]

I'm gonna answer all these questions, but not tonight.....too wasted.

LOL, bro; have fun! I am currently wasted also! WASTED, WASTED; AS IN REALLY, REALLY WASTED!

Fuck it, it's your birthday; we gonna party like its your birthday; We don't give a fuck cause its your birthday!----ok, that was silly.

Thank you, Miracleman, for your valuable responseS. When I come back in a sober state, I will thank you again with utter sincerety, lol. Seriously, thank you, bro. You, as well as IM, the drunken bastard, are GOLDEN!

 

[GOD_HERCULES]

80% of natural GH production just after falling a sleep...??????? This graph shows that GH is produced in spikes evenly over 24 hours. http://www.novonordisk.ie/view.asp?ID=98

 

[hitmeoff]

I'm gonna answer all these questions, but not tonight.....too wasted.

So what ar eyou wasted on?? SOme Geritol and sniiffin the fumes of the ben-gay...or are you sippin on the Moonshine and downing the Michalobs?

I only kid bro!!! Nota is right, youve been golden (as well as you should be, after all you are in your golden years ... sorry couldnt resist!)

 

[hhajdo]

I asked the following question at anabolicextreme.com, a board whose members I much respect, but I do not know what to make of the answer, as I have heard many conflicting viewpoints. What do you think?

QUESTION: The advice that other vets have given me is NOT to take before bedtime, as you will blunt the release of you natural GH by doing this. What are your thoughts?

ANSWER: Some of the most widely regarded, and experienced, Hormone Replacement Therapy physicians direct that hGH be used at bedtime. They see this time of administration as enhancing the effect of hGH, rather than diminishing it. Another recommended time of administration is immediately upon waking up in the morning. It has been shown that there is a natural spike in natural hGH production, then, and, again, it is felt that exogenous administration, at this time, enhances it.

Serostim product insert literature, itself, recommends bedtime administration of hGH.

In my own use, as well as with my clients who have used hGH, under my direction, I have found no diminution of effect for hGH, administered at bedtime and/or waking up in the morning, compared to it's use at other times. Bedtime usage of hGH is convenient for many users, so I have no trouble at all, in recommending it.
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THIS same vet, Muscletrainee, whom I have nothing but the utmost respect for, suggests dosing of GH one hour post meal, with an hour before your next meal.
So I asked the following, and he answered. What do you think of this? I ask because I do not understand his line of thought.
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QUESTION: the basis of this line of thought?

ANSWER: I suggest you read this thread:

http://forum.anabolicextreme.com/viewtopic.php?p=18548&highlight=#18548

I will, however, cite the most applicable paragraph of the thread, with the key sentence in all caps:

"I had my first ever blood work done back in 1998 when it was discovered that my test level was low (below 200). I was referred to an endocrinologist and was put on HRT after a battery of tests. This process took about a year before I was actually given HRT. I was using prohormones at the time and the endo had me go off that and would periodically retest me to see if there were any change. I was given an MRI of the brain to check the pituitary. The most intensive test I had was an insulin/hypogycemic test in which I was attended to by a doctor and two nurses in a hospital. They would shoot insulin in one arm vein and when I was about to pass out they would shoot glucose into the other arm. The whole test lasted about 3 hours. When looking at some of the test results I noticed an inverse relationship between low blood sugar and GH. When blood sugar was low GH spiked and after they would pump some glucose into my vein GH would drop dramatically. THIS WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU SELF-ADMINSTER GH YOU SHOULD DO SO ON AN EMPTY STOMACH AND DON'T DRINK CARBS DURING HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING."

Hypoglycemia can cause a GH release, but it can also cause cortisol release and a drop of LH/Test.

 

[MasterChief]

Very good info guys.

 

[notatrase]

I only kid bro!!! Nota is right, youve been golden (as well as you should be, after all you are in your golden years ... sorry couldnt resist!)

HAHHAAAHAHAAAA; LMFAO! Oh, um, sorry, IM, couldn't help it.

 

[Miracle Man]

80% of natural GH production just after falling a sleep...??????? This graph shows that GH is produced in spikes evenly over 24 hours. http://www.novonordisk.ie/view.asp?ID=98

Even more reason not to take it at night.