2iu of gh for 6 months - use insulin or not?? (ironmaster)

[Miracle Man]

So then, even at such low a dosage (2iu), you would suggest 2 shots of 1iu, no?

Thank you, miracle man, for your insight.

If your looking to maintain your IGF-1 levels with short acting agents, your better off spliting the dose in two. 1iu in the AM and the 2nd iu 7 hours later. Since the half life of one shot is approx 3.5-4 hrs. Avoid taking that second shot too late in the day to avoid the Hgh to be released while your sleeping. while you sleep, your body will produce whatever natural Hgh you release, then when you wake up in the AM. 1 iu is administered. and 7 hours later a second iu.......Get the picture.

 

[notatrase]

Ok, guys, just thought of this one. Since I will be using the GH/insulin as a bridge, my HPTA will be recovering during its period of use.
This raises another interesting question. That is, if I will be taking HCG/nolvadex for HPTA recovery, will the IGF-1-lowering effect of the nolvadex cancel out the anabolism that may be caused by the GH? Any suggestions? Perhaps do the HCG and nolvadex prior to starting the GH, or do you think I will be ok?

 

[hitmeoff]

I used Nolva and HCG post cycle along with the GH and Slin..It worked fine and my nuts came back to life WICKEDLY fast.

Nota, youve heard my results, you know the doses Ive been using, and I was doign 50mg nolva EOD during this time.

Wil it have an effect? Yes of course it will, but not enough to cancel out the benifits completely.

 

[notatrase]

If your looking to maintain your IGF-1 levels with short acting agents, your better off spliting the dose in two. 1iu in the AM and the 2nd iu 7 hours later. Since the half life of one shot is approx 3.5-4 hrs. Avoid taking that second shot too late in the day to avoid the Hgh to be released while your sleeping. while you sleep, your body will produce whatever natural Hgh you release, then when you wake up in the AM. 1 iu is administered. and 7 hours later a second iu.......Get the picture.

Also, MM, I assume that I will also need to administer insulin twice also in correspondence with GH intake, no?

Do you guys who use GH everyday also administer insulin everyday, or just on workout days?

THank you, guys

 

[hitmeoff]

I use slin only 4 times a week, after my heaviest workouts (legs, back, chest, shoulders/tris). I dont think you need to take more than that. You could also do pre-workout shots in addition to post, but thats for experianced vets only.

As far as GH/Slin goes, cant remember where I read this but I read somethng to the effect that Slin taken too close to your GH renders the GH useless (or is it the other way around??) In any case, I take the GH no less than 2 hours before my slin.

 

[notatrase]

As far as GH/Slin goes, cant remember where I read this but I read somethng to the effect that Slin taken too close to your GH renders the GH useless (or is it the other way around??) In any case, I take the GH no less than 2 hours before my slin.

I have yet to read this info, hitmeoff. If you can remember the source, please post it. What do you other vets think of this statement? I thought the point was to use the 2 in conjunction

 

[browndog1]

If I chose to go this route, my plan would be as stated above - insulin dosed on workout days only, 4-5x a week and gh taken independantly of the slin, on the schedule that Miracle Man mentions above.


...bd

 

[notatrase]

I asked the following question at anabolicextreme.com, a board whose members I much respect, but I do not know what to make of the answer, as I have heard many conflicting viewpoints. What do you think?

QUESTION: The advice that other vets have given me is NOT to take before bedtime, as you will blunt the release of you natural GH by doing this. What are your thoughts?

ANSWER: Some of the most widely regarded, and experienced, Hormone Replacement Therapy physicians direct that hGH be used at bedtime. They see this time of administration as enhancing the effect of hGH, rather than diminishing it. Another recommended time of administration is immediately upon waking up in the morning. It has been shown that there is a natural spike in natural hGH production, then, and, again, it is felt that exogenous administration, at this time, enhances it.

Serostim product insert literature, itself, recommends bedtime administration of hGH.

In my own use, as well as with my clients who have used hGH, under my direction, I have found no diminution of effect for hGH, administered at bedtime and/or waking up in the morning, compared to it's use at other times. Bedtime usage of hGH is convenient for many users, so I have no trouble at all, in recommending it.
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THIS same vet, Muscletrainee, whom I have nothing but the utmost respect for, suggests dosing of GH one hour post meal, with an hour before your next meal.
So I asked the following, and he answered. What do you think of this? I ask because I do not understand his line of thought.
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QUESTION: the basis of this line of thought?

ANSWER: I suggest you read this thread:

http://forum.anabolicextreme.com/viewtopic.php?p=18548&highlight=#18548

I will, however, cite the most applicable paragraph of the thread, with the key sentence in all caps:

"I had my first ever blood work done back in 1998 when it was discovered that my test level was low (below 200). I was referred to an endocrinologist and was put on HRT after a battery of tests. This process took about a year before I was actually given HRT. I was using prohormones at the time and the endo had me go off that and would periodically retest me to see if there were any change. I was given an MRI of the brain to check the pituitary. The most intensive test I had was an insulin/hypogycemic test in which I was attended to by a doctor and two nurses in a hospital. They would shoot insulin in one arm vein and when I was about to pass out they would shoot glucose into the other arm. The whole test lasted about 3 hours. When looking at some of the test results I noticed an inverse relationship between low blood sugar and GH. When blood sugar was low GH spiked and after they would pump some glucose into my vein GH would drop dramatically. THIS WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU SELF-ADMINSTER GH YOU SHOULD DO SO ON AN EMPTY STOMACH AND DON'T DRINK CARBS DURING HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING."

 

[hitmeoff]

Nota,

You should ask about my slin/gh comment also. I tried looking through the boards (AB mostly) to see if I could dig it up and came up with nothing. And cant for the life of me remember who originally posted what I had said.

Hit

 

[browndog1]

I will, however, cite the most applicable paragraph of the thread, with the key sentence in all caps:
"I had my first ever blood work done back in 1998 when it was discovered that my test level was low (below 200). I was referred to an endocrinologist and was put on HRT after a battery of tests. This process took about a year before I was actually given HRT. I was using prohormones at the time and the endo had me go off that and would periodically retest me to see if there were any change. I was given an MRI of the brain to check the pituitary. The most intensive test I had was an insulin/hypogycemic test in which I was attended to by a doctor and two nurses in a hospital. They would shoot insulin in one arm vein and when I was about to pass out they would shoot glucose into the other arm. The whole test lasted about 3 hours. When looking at some of the test results I noticed an inverse relationship between low blood sugar and GH. When blood sugar was low GH spiked and after they would pump some glucose into my vein GH would drop dramatically. THIS WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU SELF-ADMINSTER GH YOU SHOULD DO SO ON AN EMPTY STOMACH AND DON'T DRINK CARBS DURING HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING."

I'd like to hear IronMaster's thoughts on this one.


...bd