2iu of gh for 6 months - use insulin or not?? (ironmaster)

[ironmaster]

On that picture, someone who is platinum can open it, copy it, re-name it, and post it full size. This is a scan from the standard Med school text "Endocrinolgy". Basically, early morning and late afternoon are the flattest times. For 2iu, I inject once a day in the late afternoon right after lifting, and with humalog.
The various manufacturers of rhGH all list potential side effects. Gyno is in the rare or less than 1% list. I personally don't believe it. Placebo gets the same result. I have heard of people site injecting various places including chest without problems.
Let us know how it works out. i am thinking about your email, btw.

 

[Fonz]

On that picture, someone who is platinum can open it, copy it, re-name it, and post it full size. This is a scan from the standard Med school text "Endocrinolgy". Basically, early morning and late afternoon are the flattest times. For 2iu, I inject once a day in the late afternoon right after lifting, and with humalog.
The various manufacturers of rhGH all list potential side effects. Gyno is in the rare or less than 1% list. I personally don't believe it. Placebo gets the same result. I have heard of people site injecting various places including chest without problems.
Let us know how it works out. i am thinking about your email, btw.

GH stimulates IGF-1 production. In most individuals.

Also, remember that high IGF-1 levels CAN CAUSE GYNO.

The only way a person could get gyno from GH, if he/she had an amazing off the chart IGF-1 release caused by the GH, and to top of it of were sensitivie to IGF-1 in the first place.

In my 3 years here, I have not seen a single case.

Fonz

 

[browndog1]

Good info Fonz...thanks again Ironmaster.

...bd

 

[Miracle Man]

Stud diesel, I'm using Nutropin Depot right now. It's a little too early to give a complete opinion, but I like it so far. I plan to use it in conjunction with daily injections after I see how potent it is on it's own. I have the kits that release 2.25 iu a day.....should be perfect!

notatrase......I'm saying AVOID bedtime injections so as to use the big surge of natural GH that occurs during your first 2 hours of deep(rem) sleep. The chart in my image gallery shows the ideal times to inject GH.....flat points in the curve. [/B][/QUOTE]

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I could not agree more with Iron-master on this thread and other threads. 5 on 2 off is not effective at all. Fat burning effect will be vary from person to person. Genetics play a role in that. IGF-1 levels need to be maintained at all times. Other benefits to Hgh other than BB. Well, lowers hypertension, lowers your lipid profile, (TC, TG, LDL and increases your HDL's) its cardiac protective, organ, muscle, tissue and cell protective. Need I say more on that issue.

Taking short acting Hgh agents at night will shut down your natural Endo Hgh secretion from your pituitary gland, clearly stated by Ironmaster, day time is the best way to increase your IGF-1 levels on short acting agents. Taking mega doses of Hgh at night and your looking for trouble long term.

Ironmaster, that 22.5mg kit of Nutropin Depot will deliver more than 2.25 iu's p/d. The manufacture states there may be actual more mg's in that kit. They guarantee the min. amount of Hgh in that vile will be 22.5mg. I bet its really delivering 2.4 iu's p/d.

Let me share a short story with you. My medical provider was a loyal Serostim user. 6 iu p/d on average. No side effects at all. He tried the 22.5mg kit the first month, he felt great, he then added another 1 iu p/d of serostim b/c he was use to taking a much higher dose of Hgh overall. I told him do not do it. 3 days later, he called me and was complaining of sever shoulder / skeletal pain. I told him to stop the Serostim and the pain was gone just like that. He also did a baseline IGF-1 pre and post depot. He went from 150ng/ml to 385ng/ml. Thats is a very robust increase. He is 35, 6'5" 285 7% BF measured on my BIA machine. Long acting agents will respond much differently than short acting agents. People have to remember, Hgh therapy is a longterm commitment. Maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times is the key for everyone. Especially if your over 30

 

[notatrase]

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Let us know how it works out. i am thinking about your email, btw.

Ironmaster, if you have any questions with regards to my email, please feel free to ask. BTW, YGM

Miracleman, thank you for your response. Great advice, bro. However, what did you mean by the comment, "I could not agree more with Iron-master on this thread and other threads. 5 on 2 off is not effective at all."? I do not recall ironmaster making this statement. What do you base this claim on. 5 on/2 off seems to be the administration method of choice for effect/ cost-effectiveness. Ironmaster, what is your take on this?

Thank you all for your comments. This thread definitely belongs in the archives!

 

[ironmaster]

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FONZ....you could do the GH users here a great favor by using your scientific smarts to find a sustance that would "unbind" a greater % of the IGF-1 released. The reason that gyno is rare with GH is because, although the GH causes increased release of insulin-like growth factors, as a defense mechanism more are bound and worthless in the presence of exo GH. Free igf-1 molecules readily bind to receptors and actually cause localized growth of muscle cells in the adjacent tissue. The man that figures this one out will get rich quick. Also, excess amounts of IGF-1 actually cause a down regulation of natural GH production.....and GH causes insulin resistance....it gives me a headache. The defense mechanisms of the human body are incredibly complex. WHAT WE DO HERE IS TRY TO MANUALLY OVER-RIDE THESE DEFENSES THROUGH POLYPHARMACY. And for most users, a combination of GH, insulin, testosterone, and oral steroids seems to do so.

NOTATRASE.......My exact response was " the only good reason to go 5/2 is budget........considering that exo GH only shuts down natural production for a few hours." In other words, you don't need the 2 days off as recovery time. It's always best to consistantly dose on a long-term basis if your budget allows.
This is why I'm excited about the Nutropin depot. It's constantly being released into the system for 30 days. No forgetting, no travel problems....I'm gone alot and taking cold GH along is always a hassle. I'm down on my off-shore boat frequently in the hot weather.....this will make it easy. Makes my insulin timing much less critical also.

MIRACLE MAN is on top of the Depot info. I was resistant to the idea when I first heard about, but miracle man is so well spoken on the topic that he got me to study up. After a little reading, I was scrambling to find a supplier, and got lucky. I really think time release GH will revolutionize the industry.....after all, this is Genetech, the company that brought us synthetic rhGH in the first place. And.....I think it will give a big edge to the serious competitors in the world of BB'ing.

For doubters, there is just no way I could be this big and this cut up at my age....almost 54....unless the combination of supplements I mentioned above worked. I still get asked to guest pose at big shows.

 

[Miracle Man]

Ironmaster, if you have any questions with regards to my email, please feel free to ask. BTW, YGM

Miracleman, thank you for your response. Great advice, bro. However, what did you mean by the comment, "I could not agree more with Iron-master on this thread and other threads. 5 on 2 off is not effective at all."? I do not recall ironmaster making this statement. What do you base this claim on. 5 on/2 off seems to be the administration method of choice for effect/ cost-effectiveness. Ironmaster, what is your take on this?

Thank you all for your comments. This thread definitely belongs in the archives!

If you look on page two, Ironmaster did state 5 on 2 off is done purely for economic reasons. What I am saying. 5 on 2 off dosing schedule is poor, and your not fully maximizing the Hgh to it's full benefit. Maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times is the key to success while using Hgh. Once day 6 & 7 come, your IGF-1 levels have reached your natural baseline. So your up and down with you IGF-1 levels and really never maintaining them at all 7 days per week. This is why there is so many mixed opinions on the effectiveness of Hgh for BB purposes. 75% of the people out there and using it incorrectly. If you want to "Play" you have to "Pay". You know the old saying, "You Get What You Pay For".

This is why the Nutropin Depot is far ahead of its time. Slow releasing agents help you maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times and the pure convince of 1 injection per month is priceless. Convince = Compliance = Effectiveness = Results.

The people that state pulse dosing is better to mimic Hgh release during puberty stages for tissue growth. They are right if we were all children. It is common by people to misunderstand what the medical community means by "Tissue Growth". They do not mean "Muscle" growth, they are referring to "Skeletal Growth" We all know once the bones fuse together, we are not growing in height anymore. Then the role of using Hgh for our purposes takes on a whole new role and meaning.

Ironmaster, thanks for your kind words. I too enjoy your threads. They are intelligent and meaningful with real educational purposes. I hope we cn all look like you at your age. I need for my 3 kids to grow up a little more so I can train like I want too. But I do not see the wife complaining on the hard body and the sex at night.

 

[Miracle Man]

Ironmaster, if you have any questions with regards to my email, please feel free to ask. BTW, YGM

Miracleman, thank you for your response. Great advice, bro. However, what did you mean by the comment, "I could not agree more with Iron-master on this thread and other threads. 5 on 2 off is not effective at all."? I do not recall ironmaster making this statement. What do you base this claim on. 5 on/2 off seems to be the administration method of choice for effect/ cost-effectiveness. Ironmaster, what is your take on this?

Thank you all for your comments. This thread definitely belongs in the archives!

If you look on page two, Ironmaster did state 5 on 2 off is done purely for economic reasons. What I am saying. 5 on 2 off dosing schedule is poor, and your not fully maximizing the Hgh to it's full benefit. Maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times is the key to success while using Hgh. Once day 6 & 7 come, your IGF-1 levels have reached your natural baseline. So your up and down with you IGF-1 levels and really never maintaining them at all 7 days per week. This is why there is so many mixed opinions on the effectiveness of Hgh for BB purposes. 75% of the people out there and using it incorrectly. If you want to "Play" you have to "Pay". You know the old saying, "You Get What You Pay For".

This is why the Nutropin Depot is far ahead of its time. Slow releasing agents help you maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times and the pure convince of 1 injection per month is priceless. Convince = Compliance = Effectiveness = Results.

The people that state pulse dosing is better to mimic Hgh release during puberty stages for tissue growth. They are right if we were all children. It is common by people to misunderstand what the medical community means by "Tissue Growth". They do not mean "Muscle" growth, they are referring to "Skeletal Growth" We all know once the bones fuse together, we are not growing in height anymore. Then the role of using Hgh for our purposes takes on a whole new role and meaning.

Ironmaster, thanks for your kind words. I too enjoy your threads. They are intelligent and meaningful with real educational purposes. I hope we cn all look like you at your age. I need for my 3 kids to grow up a little more so I can train like I want too. But I do not see the wife complaining on the hard body and the sex at night.

 

[notatrase]

Maintain your IGF-1 levels at all times is the key to success while using Hgh. Once day 6 & 7 come, your IGF-1 levels have reached your natural baseline.

So then, even at such low a dosage (2iu), you would suggest 2 shots of 1iu, no?

Thank you, miracle man, for your insight.

 

[Dr.Equinstein]

So how much is Nutropin going for? Great thread