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2iu of gh for 6 months - use insulin or not?? (ironmaster)
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Sorry I'm late on this.
Some facts:
The average natural production of GH in younger males is .5iu to 1.5iu per day with 80% of the secretion occurring during the first 2 hours of REM sleep. Check my chart in the images gallery. So 2iu is not a light dose, especially if taken in the AM or afternoon, but not before bedtime. Why?
Because natural production is not "shutdown", like test does to testosterone. Exo GH only causes the pituitary to become a little "lazy" for several hours after the injection.
When I first used synthetic GH, I set out to dramatically change my body composition, so I used up to 12iu's a day during three 12 week cycles over the course of a year. I got just what I wanted in terms of size and leanness, and began trying out lighter maintenace doses. I seem to stay pretty close with 2 to 4 iu a day. I don't see a lot of difference with the higher amounts..... I believe that the body's natural defense mechanisms render mega doses largely a waste.
You won't go to zero at 35, but we do gradually lose our natural prouction.....a very big factor in the aging process. At 60, it is estimated that we produce 60% or less GH than a 25 year-old.
Ok, I like insulin with all GH cycles. Just adjust the dose to match your GH dose. Exo GH causes insulin resistance. You need insulin circulating with IGF-1 and your GH to get the right bang for your buck. For 2iu of GH, try 4 to 6 iu humalog.....if you are just using it to compliment the GH. Insulin is the second most anabolic substance available.
The only reason to go 5/2 is budget. As I said, we recover in a few hours from exo GH. Budget ain't a bad reason....GH isn't cheap.
Some facts:
The average natural production of GH in younger males is .5iu to 1.5iu per day with 80% of the secretion occurring during the first 2 hours of REM sleep. Check my chart in the images gallery. So 2iu is not a light dose, especially if taken in the AM or afternoon, but not before bedtime. Why?
Because natural production is not "shutdown", like test does to testosterone. Exo GH only causes the pituitary to become a little "lazy" for several hours after the injection.
When I first used synthetic GH, I set out to dramatically change my body composition, so I used up to 12iu's a day during three 12 week cycles over the course of a year. I got just what I wanted in terms of size and leanness, and began trying out lighter maintenace doses. I seem to stay pretty close with 2 to 4 iu a day. I don't see a lot of difference with the higher amounts..... I believe that the body's natural defense mechanisms render mega doses largely a waste.
You won't go to zero at 35, but we do gradually lose our natural prouction.....a very big factor in the aging process. At 60, it is estimated that we produce 60% or less GH than a 25 year-old.
Ok, I like insulin with all GH cycles. Just adjust the dose to match your GH dose. Exo GH causes insulin resistance. You need insulin circulating with IGF-1 and your GH to get the right bang for your buck. For 2iu of GH, try 4 to 6 iu humalog.....if you are just using it to compliment the GH. Insulin is the second most anabolic substance available.
The only reason to go 5/2 is budget. As I said, we recover in a few hours from exo GH. Budget ain't a bad reason....GH isn't cheap.
Stud Diesel
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ironmaster
I’d like to hear you opinion on the new new long-acting rHGH?
It’s called Nutropin Depot and is made by Genentech.
I’d like to hear you opinion on the new new long-acting rHGH?
It’s called Nutropin Depot and is made by Genentech.
Ironmaster is the expert on GH.
But, what I'm going to do I think is a bit different.
Use GH as a bridge after a long period of AAS.
2IU's for 6 months.
Combined with other ancilliaries, its a great addition for a very long AAS cycle recovery.
Add EPO and other things, and you're in business.
I would never use GH for any other purpose. The cost does not justify the rewards to me.
Fonz
But, what I'm going to do I think is a bit different.
Use GH as a bridge after a long period of AAS.
2IU's for 6 months.
Combined with other ancilliaries, its a great addition for a very long AAS cycle recovery.
Add EPO and other things, and you're in business.
I would never use GH for any other purpose. The cost does not justify the rewards to me.
Fonz
Fonz said:
You wont be disappointed bro. As a bridge GH works great, with a lil slin, you can continue your gains. I have also read an article (I think it was from Bill Llewelyn, or one of the other big AAS guys) that basically stated that GH may help you recover natty test production after a cycle. THis would make sense, as I rebounded WICKEDLY quick from my last cycle, despite only doing clomid @ 50mg for 2 weeks (didnt have enough to do it heavier, didnt have the money to buy...i know i know, this is bad, but it didnt turn out to be a disaster, plus I had nolva and HCG).
Fonz, the most effective bridge I've tried is GH and insulin. I lost very little, and recovered completely. A little anavar in the AM is just fine, too. I like EPO, wish I had some right now.....I lost a considerable amount of blood recently.
Stud diesel, I'm using Nutropin Depot right now. It's a little too early to give a complete opinion, but I like it so far. I plan to use it in conjunction with daily injections after I see how potent it is on it's own. I have the kits that release 2.25 iu a day.....should be perfect!
notatrase......I'm saying AVOID bedtime injections so as to use the big surge of natural GH that occurs during your first 2 hours of deep(rem) sleep. The chart in my image gallery shows the ideal times to inject GH.....flat points in the curve.
Stud diesel, I'm using Nutropin Depot right now. It's a little too early to give a complete opinion, but I like it so far. I plan to use it in conjunction with daily injections after I see how potent it is on it's own. I have the kits that release 2.25 iu a day.....should be perfect!
notatrase......I'm saying AVOID bedtime injections so as to use the big surge of natural GH that occurs during your first 2 hours of deep(rem) sleep. The chart in my image gallery shows the ideal times to inject GH.....flat points in the curve.
Ironmaster...
Thanks for the replies.
I will let my friend know about the 4-6iu of Humalog with the low dose gh run. How long should he do the insulin for? Maybe a few separate 3 week runs, or the whole 6 months he'll be doing 2iu/day?
Also, another question for the same guy...
Can you give me your reasons again for recommending 2iu/day for 6 months as opposed to 4iu/day for 3 months?
Would your answer to the above question differ if the person was late twenties in age instead of 47 years old?
Thanks again...much appreciated.
...bd
Thanks for the replies.
I will let my friend know about the 4-6iu of Humalog with the low dose gh run. How long should he do the insulin for? Maybe a few separate 3 week runs, or the whole 6 months he'll be doing 2iu/day?
Also, another question for the same guy...
Can you give me your reasons again for recommending 2iu/day for 6 months as opposed to 4iu/day for 3 months?
Would your answer to the above question differ if the person was late twenties in age instead of 47 years old?
Thanks again...much appreciated.
...bd
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