Vertical Leap training thread

[gjohnson5]

I would agree you need to build the power 1st then work on your ability to do it more times in a row. but if you are playing a sport it very unlikly that you are going to just jump over and over at your max VJ. usually you will have some time inbetween to rest and then more likley be able to repeat the max effert.
I am sure it would not bee complete rest, as you would still be running back and forth
but still rest. I am sure if you can jump 40inches you could run down the court and do it on the other end again. and could probably continue doing it more than say just trying to repeat the 40 in one after another..

That's you.

As you build endurance , you will build strength as well. You don't build one and then the other like some 2 stage story or one doesn't work in conjuction with the other. In terms of team sports endurance is necessary if you are going to stay on the field/court. You cannot compete if you are winded. You cannot VJ if you are winded. Many professionals such as Allen Iverson play 48 minutes with no rest.. Too many assumptions here...

Alot of uneducated commentary

 

[myfault]

Many professionals such as Allen Iverson play 48 minutes with no rest.. Too many assumptions here...

Alot of uneducated commentary

after 1st quarter, half time, after 3rd quarter, team time outs, free throws, ball goes out of bounds, fouls, injured players........

maybe its just me, but that sure does seem like a lot of rest.

 

[gjohnson5]

after 1st quarter, half time, after 3rd quarter, team time outs, free throws, ball goes out of bounds, fouls, injured players........

maybe its just me, but that sure does seem like a lot of rest.

yeah alot like those huddles after every play...

 

[KOArtist]

As you build endurance , you will build strength as well. You don't build one and then the other like some 2 stage story or one doesn't work in conjuction with the other.

Nah, the more endurance work you do, the slower & more inhibited any strength gains will be, that's a fact. So for optimal long term gains in both areas, you would concentrate on maximizing one for a while (ie: strength-which necessarily involves less endurance work), then switch it up and concentrate on the other (endurance, which necessarily involves less strength work.) It's called "periodization," and it does indeed involve a "2 stage story." So optimally, a Bballer (or boxer, or football player, etc.) would do heavy power work (oly's/plyo's, etc.) in the offseason to maximize power and explosiveness, and then worry about endurance (and incorporating his new power) when training camp rolls around, which is exactly what they do.

 

[gjohnson5]

Nah, the more endurance work you do, the slower & more inhibited any strength gains will be, that's a fact. So for optimal long term gains in both areas, you would concentrate on maximizing one for a while (ie: strength-which necessarily involves less endurance work), then switch it up and concentrate on the other (endurance, which necessarily involves less strength work.) It's called "periodization," and it does indeed involve a "2 stage story." So optimally, a Bballer (or boxer, or football player, etc.) would do heavy power work (oly's/plyo's, etc.) in the offseason to maximize power and explosiveness, and then worry about endurance (and incorporating his new power) when training camp rolls around, which is exactly what they do.

In terms of powerlifting, of course. If you were made to sprint 10 quarters, yes you're gonna have a bad day in the weight room. In terms endurnace sports , I have never heard someone say running made thier legs weaker... Running never made my legs weaker , infact running is how I put on most of my leg mass, not squats.

Do you think on a 7 day schedule , doing endurance work 1 or 2 of those days is going to hinder your gains in the weightroom? I can tell you from experience that playing college ball we ran and did weights on a weekly and there were some strong guys in there. I was never all that strong back then so your theory may hold true for me, but that's not universally true. I went from an inner city high school that had no such facilities to a private liberal arts college who's main sport was BBall and we followed no such structure.

But anyway , This is the whole point of why I said this has turned into a powerlifting thread and nothing about jumping or better yet the sports uses of jumping.

 

[KOArtist]

Youve never heard of running making somebody's legs weaker? Squat for a 3 rep max today, see how you do. Then run a few miles a day for a month, and test your squat again. But yeah, I played D1 college football, and our strength/conditioning guys were always on us about not overdoing jogging/hoops/anything aerobic during the offseason since it would be detrimental to our strength/power development. Of course any athlete is gonna do some endurance work here and there, but thats a given (theyre "athletes" afterall), but the more they did, the less benefits they'd get from their strength training. 1 or 2 days would minimally/barely affect it, 3 or 4 days would definitely impact it negatively. It's a sliding scale basically...the more you do, the more it will affect it.

It's just like all the BBers here...they know that in the long-term, if they want the most mass and the least fat, they have to alternate their training/cycles towards bulking/cutting/bulking/cutting. If they tried to improve both at the same time, all the time, they would get WAY less results in the end in both mass building AND fatloss. Sure you try to minimize fat gain during bulk phases, and muscle loss during cutting phases, but that's obvious. Then they "balance" it out at the end and peak for their competition, which is kind of what athletes do when it's time for the season to begin: balance out their power w/ their endurance to be the best they can be for the season.

 

[gjohnson5]

Youve never heard of running making somebody's legs weaker? Squat for a 3 rep max today, see how you do. Then run a few miles a day for a month, and test your squat again. But yeah, I played D1 college football, and our strength/conditioning guys were always on us about not overdoing jogging/hoops/anything aerobic during the offseason since it would be detrimental to our strength/power development. Of course any athlete is gonna do some endurance work here and there, but thats a given (theyre "athletes" afterall), but the more they did, the less benefits they'd get from their strength training. 1 or 2 days would minimally/barely affect it, 3 or 4 days would definitely impact it negatively. It's a sliding scale basically...the more you do, the more it will affect it.

It's just like all the BBers here...they know that in the long-term, if they want the most mass and the least fat, they have to alternate their training/cycles towards bulking/cutting/bulking/cutting. If they tried to improve both at the same time, all the time, they would get WAY less results in the end in both mass building AND fatloss. Sure you try to minimize fat gain during bulk phases, and muscle loss during cutting phases, but that's obvious. Then they "balance" it out at the end and peak for their competition, which is kind of what athletes do when it's time for the season to begin: balance out their power w/ their endurance to be the best they can be for the season.

OK , this is truely silly...
I have never squat and then ran several miles in the same day and I played 3 sports at one point and in track I did 200 , 400 , 100M high Hurdles , 100m relay and high jump. Everyone knows that if you squat and then try to run or run and then try to squat you will have worn out legs. I mean in a long term situation

 

[Extra_Strong]

That's you.

As you build endurance , you will build strength as well. You don't build one and then the other like some 2 stage story or one doesn't work in conjuction with the other. In terms of team sports endurance is necessary if you are going to stay on the field/court. You cannot compete if you are winded. You cannot VJ if you are winded. Many professionals such as Allen Iverson play 48 minutes with no rest.. Too many assumptions here...

Alot of uneducated commentary

are you saying if i build endurance. that my max vj will increase?
I know if i want a 40 inch VJ i have to work tward getting that for one max jump. after i acomplish it then i would be able to work on being able to repeat in more time in a row.. 1st things 1st. You can increase you endurace with out increaseing you 1 time max..
A person can have a VJ of 40in and just because he increases his endurance does not mean he will increase his max VJ..

 

[Extra_Strong]

so do jump shoes or weighted vests Help at all or are they a waist of money??

 

[myfault]

unfortunately, i have found out first hand that endurance training is not good at all for your vertical leap