Vertical Leap training thread

[coolcolj]

21 inches when he was younger in high school at 15 and 27inches when he was a sophomore after playing sports for a while I guess. Everyone will have different ceilings though, the limiting factor is the CNS, its firing speeds to be specifc. Even he said himself while he was skinny and weak, he had a good CNS.

Anyone can get stronger and more reactive to help their jumping, but remeber power = force x velocity. Speed is mostly genetic, so one half of the equation is fairly static, as detemined by genetics

ie not everyone who squats over double bodyweight with strong hammies and core will be able to jump over 40inches. Even with the proper training. But you will jump higher than when you were weaker, if you train properly

see here

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/quicknessvsspeed.html

 

[KOArtist]

thx for the article and info.

 

[KOArtist]

Another thing, is there any vids of jump snatches anywhere on this thread? Couldnt find any, and I can't seem to visualize it correctly. thx

 

[coolcolj]

No but I guess some of my oly power snatch clips from the hang and floor are examples of jump power snatches

I can upload em later today

 

[gjohnson5]

The thread has turned into a thread all about power lifting and not about endurance the other types of exercises that build jumping ability. It's kewl to be powerful , but if you can only do the feat once and your tank is empty , then it is worthless. There has also been little talk of body fat percentage. A good way of improving your jumping ability is simply losing bodyfat...

Plyometrics
http://www.ultimatehandbook.com/Webpages/Health/vertical.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_5634_increase-vertical-leap.html
http://www.fittech.com.au/products/kms.asp?loc=training
http://www.sacredhoops.com/plyometrics.html

Note the use of weighted vest and weighted jump rope jump rope...

 

[coolcolj]

Well before you can jump high, a lot, you need to be able to jump high first

You get your performance first, then you build work capacity later.
Building work capacity detracts from the building peak performance.
That's why NFL football players and throwers jump much higher than the average BBall player, while weighing more much more too. BBall players run around and play too much to allow themselves to develop their peak potential, except for the freaks here and there.

Again Kelly Baggett's site has all the info you need
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/pathofchampions.html

And once you can jump high like 42 inches, then jumping 40inches doesn't take as much effort, and you can do that a lot.

 

[gjohnson5]

Well before you can jump high, a lot, you need to be able to jump high first

You get your performance first, then you build work capacity later.
Building work capacity detracts from the building peak performance.
That's why NFL football players and throwers jump much higher than the average BBall player, while weighing more much more too. BBall players run around and play too much to allow themselves to develop their peak potential, except for the freaks here and there.

Again Kelly Baggett's site has all the info you need
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/pathofchampions.html

And once you can jump high like 42 inches, then jumping 40inches doesn't take as much effort, and you can do that a lot.

Being a basketball player. I would rather have on my team someone who can jump 30 inches 100 times then someone who can jump 40 inches once... This has also been missing in this thread. Endurance is a big factor in training.

Strength before endurance huh???
What sports do you play currently? Forget about that. That opinion will not get an athlete through 2 halfs or 4 quarters of a game. Any coach would bench you if your lagging ass and holding up the team. Does not matter what the sport is.

NFL players jump higher then the average Basketball player
Let this stupidity end...

 

[coolcolj]

Well if he can jump 40inches, 30 inches will be very easy
A 10 sec sprinter will find running 11secs pretty easy, it's sub-maximal, that would be like warmup for him. Ditto for the 40inch VJ'er, 30inches will be a warmup.

It is unlikely someone will jump 30inches 100 times, if that is his max VJ, each jump will end up being lower, he may well jump 28-29inches 100 times, with a max of 30inches. But the 40inch jumper could do that and more, even 35inches 50 times

You can detune a formula one car to drive on the street for a few hours, but you can't make a Honda Civic accelerate or have the top speed of a formula one car.

Hell even NFL lineman weighing 280-300+lbs can VJ in the 30-36 inch area. Just look at any NFL combine numbers and you will see how high they get measured on a vertec without a step.

 

[Extra_Strong]

I would agree you need to build the power 1st then work on your ability to do it more times in a row. but if you are playing a sport it very unlikly that you are going to just jump over and over at your max VJ. usually you will have some time inbetween to rest and then more likley be able to repeat the max effert.
I am sure it would not bee complete rest, as you would still be running back and forth
but still rest. I am sure if you can jump 40inches you could run down the court and do it on the other end again. and could probably continue doing it more than say just trying to repeat the 40 in one after another..

 

[gjohnson5]

Well if he can jump 40inches, 30 inches will be very easy
A 10 sec sprinter will find running 11secs pretty easy, it's sub-maximal, that would be like warmup for him. Ditto for the 40inch VJ'er, 30inches will be a warmup.

It is unlikely someone will jump 30inches 100 times, if that is his max VJ, each jump will end up being lower, he may well jump 28-29inches 100 times, with a max of 30inches. But the 40inch jumper could do that and more, even 35inches 50 times

You can detune a formula one car to drive on the street for a few hours, but you can't make a Honda Civic accelerate or have the top speed of a formula one car.

Hell even NFL lineman weighing 280-300+lbs can VJ in the 30-36 inch area. Just look at any NFL combine numbers and you will see how high they get measured on a vertec without a step.

I'm sure that 30in will be easy for a 40in jumper , but if I run his ass for 30 minutes , then what is his vertical.. There are people who actually get stronger as the game progresses. Or atleast everyone else is withering at a much higher rate then them. This factor is what you are missing.

1. NFL lineman don't jump higher then 2's or 3's in NBA. Volleyball players may jump higher then these guys , but that may be it. I'll give you one point Jevon Kerse jumps high. Does he jump as high as Lebron James?
2. Does Jevon Kerse jump as high as Lebron James after running up and down a court for 30 minutes?

If humans were formula one cars then maybe you'd have a point. Humans are not cars so your point is mute.

Let those NFL combine guys workout for a few hours and retest them. Then lets see the numbers then because NBA guys jump and dunk over people all game long.