Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Anthrax said:
How did you miss this thread. It's 15 pages. 3 separate writeups on page 1 - I suggest reading them all. Posts 1, 10, 11, 12 particularly.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215
The Finished Product - Completed Madcow2 Program.
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How did you miss this thread. It's 15 pages. 3 separate writeups on page 1 - I suggest reading them all. Posts 1, 10, 11, 12 particularly.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215
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|30ssman, obviously you've never tried this program so obviously you can't go making statements like that until you have tried it.
I'm in the 8th week of the program and I gained 16lbs and I coulda ate more.
I was not on drugs and I had been working out 4 days a week for about 5 months prior to when I started this routine. I have worked off and on for years.
Yes. You can gain ALOT of weight on this program drug-free.
I'm in the 8th week of the program and I gained 16lbs and I coulda ate more.
I was not on drugs and I had been working out 4 days a week for about 5 months prior to when I started this routine. I have worked off and on for years.
Yes. You can gain ALOT of weight on this program drug-free.
Humm... This is one wild prog.
I'm just getting back into the workin out again after some time off. (man it's brutal)
Maybe i'll give this a world...
50min - 1.5hr isn't bad at all!!! Most who train should be able to pulll that off... i'm hitting 1hr - 1.5 hrs 4 times in a 5 day cycle
I'm just getting back into the workin out again after some time off. (man it's brutal)
Maybe i'll give this a world...
50min - 1.5hr isn't bad at all!!! Most who train should be able to pulll that off... i'm hitting 1hr - 1.5 hrs 4 times in a 5 day cycle
16 lbs in 8 weeks is believable on a bulk diet, but its not 21.5. its just hard to believe with the diet he listed, not bulking. I will be doing this routine soon and will post what i gain. I am currently doing a 2x week variation of the 5x5 right now and its great, no unbelievable weight gains like you guys are reporting though. keep it up
|3ossman said:
Just so you realize this program is very different from the 5x5 program that is popular on this site and I guess in BBing circles on the net. Same name but totally different layout, volume, frequency, and underlying theory (essentially, it couldn't be more different despite the same name). This is based off the Bill Starr 5x5 from the 1970s and tweaked into a dual factor setup for experienced lifters by one of the better strength coaches around today (walk into any training complex in the country and say "5x5" and you will hear "Bill Starr"). I actually have zero to do with the design but somehow it got my username attached to it despite consistent effort. It is not a bbing program in design ( most bbing programs sucks across the board so this is a good thing) or purpose but more a general strength and condiitoning program for athletics. The nice benefit to BBers is that the hypertrophy gains can be staggering. There really isn't a program out there that consistently results in more hypertrophy. This thing has been in use in one form or another for over 30 years and it consistently produces excellent results across a broad range of athletes. It is generally avoided by athletes close to weight class restrictions simply because they need to severely curtail their diets to avoid weight gain. I've run into this problem myself not running a bulking diet at all. I had to slash calorie intake not once but twice to keep my weight inside the 240 range. I figured I had 5-8lbs to play with and that margin went by week 5. I ended up netting around 10 despite some pretty solid effort (everything but outright starvation/crash).
Program is here: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215
Posts 3, 10, 11, 12 relate to the program
The primary underlying difference is dual factor theory which is explained in post 13 with 3 links.
Posts 234 and 235 on this page are also worthwhile for this purpose: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215&page=12&pp=20
There is a lot of stuff pasted into that thread on various pages - too bad I haven't figured out a table of contents yet.
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|3ossman said:
I bulked dude. I ate like a muther fucker, cafe food or not. And, im not going to try and defend my gains either. I am telling you exactly what the scale said. I mean, what good would it do me to lie about my gains...lol, and i know your not accusing me, im just saying that my results are what i saw on the scale. Hell, i remember reading a post by Madcow about when he was in college and ran this gaining 35 pounds....oh, and you do realize that i did gain some fat with that as well as expected in a bulk.
