Take on fruit?

[gjohnson5]

what are some examples of fast digesting protein? is going catobolic negative for cutting?

Well Whey is the number 1 example of fast digesting protein. A slow digesting protein would be caesin or basically protein from real food.

I guess going catabolic would not be negative for cutting but unless you are trying to weigh a certain amount or in an endurance sport, I wouldn't sell going catabolic. Muscle is a good thing, why burn it up, when it takes so long to build?

 

[anthrax]

Well Whey is the number 1 example of fast digesting protein. A slow digesting protein would be caesin or basically protein from real food.

I guess going catabolic would not be negative for cutting but unless you are trying to weigh a certain amount or in an endurance sport, I wouldn't sell going catabolic. Muscle is a good thing, why burn it up, when it takes so long to build?

Catabolism is what you want to avoid
Even when cutting

I takes weeks/months to buils muscles and days to "burn" them

 

[ASU]

We all want to build muscles and burn the fat.. we all need to avoid being catabolic?

 

[The Red Dragon]

Fructose doesn't promote insulin spikes does it? I thought it can traverse the cell membrane quite easily

Fructose will most likely be used to replenish liver glycogen (what you run out of when you wake up). Working out taxes both liver/muscle glyocogen but more muscle glycogen is used up...It's best to use glucose monomers or maltose disaccharides post workout, making sure there is indeed an insulin spike (in hopes to lower glucagon and cortisol)

With regards to catabolism, gluconeogenesis requires 2 g of muscle protein for 1 g of glucose...so not worth it.

Regardless, we all need fruits for antioxidants and other benefits. I like apples/bananas since they're cheap and have a long shelf life. Bananas also have about 300 or so milligrams of potassium and possibly 12 mg of tryptophan...its my night fruit. Although berries are the best fruit hands down, they're too damn expensive and their shelf life is crap, mine died 4 days in the fridge.

Any suggestions regarding fruits that are cheap, yet are high in antioxidants/other benefits?

 

[6_pak]

If your cutting i would never recommend fruits before bedtime or any carbs for that matter. All simple carbs causes insulin spikes. At nite i would reccomend eating protein/fat meals. Fructose does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. You need dextrose or maltodextrine for PWO. Fruits in the morning or before w/o would be ok.

 

[JKurz1]

If your cutting i would never recommend fruits before bedtime or any carbs for that matter. All simple carbs causes insulin spikes. At nite i would reccomend eating protein/fat meals. Fructose does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. You need dextrose or maltodextrine for PWO. Fruits in the morning or before w/o would be ok.

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........

 

[gjohnson5]

We all want to build muscles and burn the fat.. we all need to avoid being catabolic?

Yes, in order to build muscle you must be anabolic , not catabolic. This is true for cutting or bulking

 

[gjohnson5]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........

But how many people leave the gym and then immediently go to bed???

As stated I would avoid all fruit before bed and use a slower digesting carbohydrate post workout if you train at night.

 

[6_pak]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........[/QUOTE

If your pwo or ppwo does fall right before bed, then yeah you better eat them. Never said that! But IMO there are better options for fast digesting carbs rather than fruit. Fruit at other times of the day are acceptable. I eat them in my pro/carb meals twice a day, but i always stick with dex or maltodextrine for pwo. In my statement earlier i didnt take in account that his pwo was right before bed. I,personally, believe that, especially when cutting, the last meal before bed should be a slow digestive protein and fat.

 

[JKurz1]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........[/QUOTE

If your pwo or ppwo does fall right before bed, then yeah you better eat them. Never said that! But IMO there are better options for fast digesting carbs rather than fruit. Fruit at other times of the day are acceptable. I eat them in my pro/carb meals twice a day, but i always stick with dex or maltodextrine for pwo. In my statement earlier i didnt take in account that his pwo was right before bed. I,personally, believe that, especially when cutting, the last meal before bed should be a slow digestive protein and fat.

Fruit is NOT ideal PW.....thats not what I meant.......however, nixing carbs before bed if you train at night is only preventing gains.......