Strength/nosize

[epimetheus]

Yes, it is possible to gain strength without size. It isn't all genetic, though much of it is. Some people can gain size no matter what they do but I would say that is rare. Just stick to the low reps, high weights. Try spreading your sets out over the day if you have that type of acess to the gym. Stay away from the 6-15 or more reps- as that will tend to increase sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

Read these links-

http://www.cbass.com/Synaptic.htm
http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?rm=mode2&articleid=69
http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/hypertrophy.txt


Many of the guys on this site will try to sell you the bodybuilding method as the only way possible to lift, and thus the only results you can get. This isn't true however. For you guys that want to retain a bodyweight range there is hope.

 

[louden_swain]

I couldn't tell ya. I lift for strength and get both.

Exactly, for me there is a close correlation between muscle size and strength.

 

[leatherface]

Ya i understand those guys I posted are freaks , but im just saying its possible and was curious if any of you had any helpful information for me. But since no one is really sure, how about this... would it help if i still did statics or negatives? I guess I'll just vary around what i said before, 1-4 reps, medium volume, higher rest(2-4 mins). To everyone that posted and is still going to post thanks a ton!!! Even if little, I appreciate all the help ive got/

 

[saint808]

have you looked into boxing and wrestling workouts? Most wrestler's i know are very strong... (i think it is the one on one resistance training with another person that makes them stronger to be honest). They always have to make weight classes so they cajn't go above a certain amount.

 

[R CRUSHER]

lifting weights for max strength doesn't have much cross over for boxing. i would think kickboxing would be the same.

strength comes from speed/technique.

 

[epimetheus]

lifting weights for max strength doesn't have much cross over for boxing. i would think kickboxing would be the same.

strength comes from speed/technique.

http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

Says you- I think Dr. Squat thinks otherwise. So do many other strength trainers with some serious credentials and experience. Do you have evidence to back up your specious claims or are you just spouting crap that somebody, again with no experience or credentials, has told you?

Here, some claims that suggest otherwise-

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/get_articles.php?cat=Strengthening
http://www.prepareforcombat.com/mik-12.html
http://www.strengthcats.com/strengthfundamentals.htm
http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/bodybuildma.html

I can provide more, though I would say that three people come into mind when somebody says what you just said or something similar about strength training/weight lifting and some form of martial art. (boxing is technically a martial art, same with wrestling, or sword fighting etc)

Those three people are- Dr. Hatefield (coached Holyfield in a strength routine)
Charles Staley- A well known strength trainer as well as a martial artist.
Pavel Tsatsouline- Strong as an ox but not huge, flexiable and also a practictioner of Russian Martial arts. (most of his training is targeted specifically at the martial artist)

Again- Do you have contrary evidence that there isn't much crossover? Because these three giants in the field say otherwise.

 

[leatherface]

Thanks for posting those sites I have to leave now but ill check them out when i get home. Thanks alot guys Any more info is still greatly appreciated!!!!

 

[leatherface]

Hey epimetheus, thanks a ton! Those sites are awesome and helped alot I owe ya !

 

[Baoh]

Maybe I missed it in my haste, but I'm surprised no one suggested that he eat no more than the amount of Calories needed only to maintain. You won't grow muscle out of air, but you can still make CNS adaptations.

 

[R CRUSHER]

lifting weights for max strength doesn't have much cross over for boxing. i would think kickboxing would be the same.

strength comes from speed/technique.

epmi- i guess you didn't read
i said "MAX" as in training with 1-3reps.

i don't know any TOP boxing trainers, Manny Stewart,Ronni Sheilds,Tommy Brooks, Buddy McGirt, Floyd Mayweather sr., Freddie Roach, that have their fighters train with such heavy weight, it puts too muc stress on the CNS. the last thing you want is a overtrained fighter on fight night.

i didn't read any of those articles because i don't need too.

if DR. SQUAT says squatting 500lbs will make you a better boxer, the people who are getting paid $$$$millions aren't listening either.