Strength/nosize

[epimetheus]

I am talking about strength. If you bothered to read a physiology book and learned the dynamics of a punch, how muscles are recruited to apply force and explosiveness you would probably have a better idea of how strength has lots of carry over. You know those people I listed? They have degrees in physiology related fields like sports science and kienseology.
Obviously the guy that sqats often will just be better at squating due to neurological adaptation, which has little to no carry over whatsover except to squating.

Anyhow- This topic is way off topic. He was wanting strength with little to no size gain. It was nothing about boxing except I used it as an example.

You can convince yourself all you want that strength has no carry over in any form of combat sport, or just not in boxing- it really doesn't matter. You can go box your heart out and be a weak ass pussy that will get his ass K'Oed by somebody that took some of the top strength trainers advice and implemented a weight lifting program into his routine when you didn't.

I provided links to people with way more knowledge on this subject than yourself, links you were too damn good to read, links which the guy I posted em for DID read. I guess I gave the more convincing argument and I am in no way interested in trying to convince you otherwise. It is like arguing with a creationist with a bible shoved up their ass- No amount of evidence will sway their OPINION, because they are not interested in even looking at the evidence.

Get over yourself. Untill you read my links, and provide an arugument against them, you're not worth responding to.

 

[epimetheus]

Stick to boxing pal- You obviously know nothing about wrestling or Judo- As they both definately DO have weight classes.

 

[R CRUSHER]

This is for lots of strength and not really size. I was thinking maybe like 5 sets, 3 reps and 3-5 minutes rest(depending on what exercise)... followed by 2sets, 1 rep............I can't afford to gain too much more size in certain areas(due to kickboxing/martial arts).. Ok thanks alot, if you know anything about this please post!

i don't see whats so off topic. he didn't say wrestling or judo....pal

i'll say again 1-3reps for max strength is waste of time for boxing/kickboxing

punching/kicking power has nothing to do with you MAX strength. it' a function of speed & technique. you won't find a link to any web page any where that will tell you that if you increase MAX (X)lift by (X)number of lb's you'll punch or kick harder. muscle mass doesn't have much to do with punching power.

true story ~ Chris Comier at (275lbs) had made some negative comments about Mike Tyson (who hasn't) . while at a club Chris said someone grabbed him behind the neck......turned around it was Mike.....Chris said he was so pissed off he wanted too pick up Mike and throw him across the room (he's strong enough to)...but wasn't that stupid "i'm not getting my ass knocked out"

people assume if you have BIG ASS muscles you can hit HARD!IT AIN'T SO.


it not like i'm behind the times, i've been try to get these coaches & youngsters to incorporated BANDS & CHAINS and OLYM lifts in the strength programs. it wasn't till they saw Kobe Bryant squatting with chains on a fvcking SPRITE commercial to give something new try.....then i say let me tell you about Louie Simmons/Dave Tate

with that i'm through with this worn out topic.

 

[leatherface]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH lol. I didn't mean to start a war here. I appreciate the posts and information provided from everyone. And it's not that im an amateur anything really, I was just curious how to gain more strength and less size...thats all. I'm not conerned with weight class's though anyhow. And Yes, I do do speed/agility/technique training as well as some cardio. It's not like I think im gonna hit the weights, finally bench 600 and think I can knock anyone out. Anyhow thanks alot you guys! All the 'positive' posts are appreciated!!!

 

[R CRUSHER]

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[epimetheus]

Re: Re: Strength/nosize

punching/kicking power has nothing to do with you MAX strength. it' a function of speed & technique. you won't find a link to any web page any where that will tell you that if you increase MAX (X)lift by (X)number of lb's you'll punch or kick harder. muscle mass doesn't have much to do with punching power.

Yes, punching or kicking power is speed and technique.

What is technique? Generally it is leverage, momemtum and such. Well, next comes the no brainer. Now, how do you move your arm? With your muscles of course. And the faster you move your arm the better, but how to move it faster? The more muscle fibers your body is able to recruit allows for more power to move your arm faster. It is basic fucking physics and a bit of physiology.

Again you bring up the pathetic analogy of comparing apples and oranges. As if that proves anything. Of course your buddy and idol Mike Tyson could kick the shit out of a bigger guy. The bigger guy is a BODYBUILDER, not a boxer. GEE, wonder why he backed down. (Your comparison is equally silly because we are not talking about BIG ASS muscles, we are talking about optimal strength with little to no size gains, in other words, NO BIG ASS MUSCLES)

Let me state this so it doesn't confuse you later- I am not saying some Joe blow with lots of strength can punch harder than somebody that is weaker that trains to punch or kick. That was so obvious to me, I figured you would have half a brain cell and figure that I was talking about people of comparable skills.

I have said enough- Obviously you ignore the fact that I have mentioned ballistic training, plyometrics, and other strength training methods, and stick to your little straw man argument that the only strength training I am talking about is bench presses, squats and formulas for carry over strength conversions.

Leatherface- Sorry about the war then- Good luck with your strength training. It is possible to gain strength without size, and you don't have to train conventially to do so. I'm done as well.

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[leatherface]

Alright thank you epimetheus, i appreciate the links and info. And thanks to everyone else too.

 

[R CRUSHER]

CRUSHERepimetheus


"you two mutha fvckas need to shut fvck up.....before ya get blasted on!":mp5:

 

[spatts]

I like the way your name is all caps and his is all lower case...interesting use of symbolism.

Seriously, though. Shut the fuck up.....before ya get blasted on. Thanks.