My Girls First Cycle

[702daswoll1]

This is my first post in the female section. Im the Nevada light-heavyweight champ from 2006. Been bodybuilding for 15 years. My question is related to my girls first cycle which will be anavar and T3. She has been training and has a great general structure with a slightly high BF%. What is a good first cycle dosage for her. I want her to run the cycle for 8-10 weeks and it will be anavar only and the T3. Any and all input is very appreciated. Thanks ladies...

Swoll.

 

[Sassy69]

A standard first run cycle of var is start at 5 mg ED (split in 1/2 am & pm - 1/2 life of var = 9 hrs - keeps the dose spike a little more even) for the first 1.5 -2 weeks to make sure no adverse sides / whatever you have is underdosed / overdosed / fake / something other than var. Then up it to 10 mg ED (split 1/2 am, pm) and just run that for easily up to 16 weeks - women can run low doses for longer periods of time & not need PCT. But still best to allow a decent amount of time off before choosing to play around w/ another cycle (e.g. time off = time on).

T3 - not a big fan of it & I'll defer to someone else to suggest dosing.

But big fat caveat on this - what is she expecting from this cycle? If her bodyfat is "slightly high" - what does that mean? how high? If her diet & training (emphasis on DIET here) are not producing the results you are looking for from the cycle, then don't do the cycle unitl the diet & training ARE consistently producing those results. I hope this is somethign that you as a BB competitor are well aware of. Too many women start off w/ cycles thinking it will "lean them out & tone them up" like it does for their boyfriend/ guy friend / some guy at the gym. If her bodyfat is already high then she will most likely end up being bulky as she gains mass from the var - so please make sure the diet & training are in line w/ expectations FIRST and also that she understands the impact of a cycle when not lean. Expectations of the cycle need to be appropriate.

I'm assuming she also is aware of all the potential sides when dealing w/ var yes? Loss of period, etc? Also include acidophilus in the daily supplements to help prevent against yeast infections which can result from any aas.

 

[702daswoll1]

Thanks so much Sassy for your wise insight. When i say her BF% is slightly high I stress slightly. As a matter of fact she is leaner than most women I see at the gym training for BB comps and such. This post sat all night and only 1 response... Not good.. Hey do you think there would be a better choice than anavar for a first run?

 

[Sassy69]

What does it mean "slightly higher" ? Relative to what? DO you have a number? 15% ? 12%? 20%? I'd not recommend someone to use a steroid & expect to "lean out" if they are above say 12%. Near 12 is ok but above it seems you will tend to bulk more ("get thick") than lean out.

I personally think var is fantastic if you're just looking for some change - anythign above and beyond that I'd really only suggest if you're competing or looking for a very specific goal.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

If she is already lean, Var alone would be a good place. I think T3 is WAY overrated, I had a horrible experience with it. IMHO, both T3 and Clen are overrated for fat loss.

If her diet and training are on point, and she is already lean - Var alone would be incredible. Running 5-10mg for 8-12 weeks would be fine. No need to go above 10mg. Women can handle longer cycles (and no PCT needed) assuming their liver and cholesterol levels aren't bottomed out.

 

[702daswoll1]

You guyz have been really helpful. I cant even guess her BF% because Im not familiar with the difference between women and mens bf%.. I can guess a guys BF% within a point or two either way but not women.. You can see 4 of her abs if that helps. It cant be too high.. I kind of disagree with the statement that she cant lean out unless her bf is already low because Im cutting right now on a gram of test a week. My BF is in the single digits though..
Hey Daisy is that your daughter in the pic? She is adorable!!!

 

[Sassy69]

SHe's probably 15% or lower depending on where she holds her fat - some people have great ab genetics, others, like me, don't really see abs until I'm sub 10%.

The statement about being low bodyfat is with regard to the expectation that lots of girls have that steroids will immediately lean them out - but if they are really above 13-14% then they will see it as more bulk than as leaner. Its just how bodyfat & muscle looks - but when girls think of "fat loss" they immediately think they are going to look like a fitness girl out the chute.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Hey Daisy is that your daughter in the pic? She is adorable!!!

Yes it is, thank you very much.

Sounds like she would get some awesome results from V.ar alone, in my opinion.

We tend to be cautious with the steroid advice here, when men come over wanting to do something for their GF/wife, and even with some girls.... often the women who want to do steroids, or are told they should do steroids, are NOT in a place that steroids should be considered yet.

BTW, I am a Nevada-ian also.

 

[2raptors]

SHe's probably 15% or lower depending on where she holds her fat - some people have great ab genetics, others, like me, don't really see abs until I'm sub 10%.

The statement about being low bodyfat is with regard to the expectation that lots of girls have that steroids will immediately lean them out - but if they are really above 13-14% then they will see it as more bulk than as leaner. Its just how bodyfat & muscle looks - but when girls think of "fat loss" they immediately think they are going to look like a fitness girl out the chute.

Been lurking (actually, Stalking Sassy around the forum to get quality info/insight.... Question on this....of course, my girl is measured using 7 site caliper/formula...she's at 15% today...and you can see all "12" of her ab muscles (go ab wheel!) ...but obviously too heavy for competition... She wants to add muscle.... as we've discussed before...but when you say "bulking up" if she's got too much bF...what do you mean exactly....bulking up in water retention and bloating? Or all of the above? My girl wants more mass... so now I'm confused.

Sorry....sounds like the pro is too!!!

 

[Sassy69]

OK so go for it. Usually girls think of anavar or whatever as a "fat burner" so they think they can take it and see the fat drop off. But often they have not much muscle to start w/ so they will see an increase in muscle mass and then see the scale go up and if they aren't already lean (e.g. 12% or however they wear their bodyfat) they will also appear "thicker" as they gain more mass but aren't already lean (e.g. see some shoulder striations -- skin isn't thin yet, still have water, looks "thicker" - they see as "fatter" and not what they wanted).

Again - not seeing pictures of your girl I don't know -- a big part of what girls expect from AAS that isn't appropriate and things will "appear" a certain way as a result - its not a fat burner - so I'm trying to just communicate the "way" things look if you aren't already lean.

Sounds like your girl wears her bodyfat well. So go for it - keep the diet very clean and the training balls to the wall. Keep us up to date. WOuld be great if you can post some pix.