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Major League Baseball and steriods...

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Baseball was so much easier when the only performance-enhancer we had to worry about was Wheaties.

Almost every day brings another steroid report. First, Jose Canseco said that 85 percent of major leaguers use steroids (based on his career, identical twin Ozzie must have been among the other 15 percent). Then Ken Caminiti told Sports Illustrated that he used steroids during his 1996 MVP season. Chad Curtis told SI that 40 to 50 percent of major leaguers use them as well.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

None of these revelations are exactly news -- everyone already knew steroid use is rampant in the major leagues, even if it isn't as high as Curtis or Canseco estimate. Every time a player shows up in spring training looking as if he's wearing bowling balls under his sleeves, only the naïve think his amazing 30-pound muscle gain was due to nothing more than winter arm curls.

If you wonder why reporters don't come straight out and write this instead of letting players attribute it to (wink,wink) offseason weight lifting, it isn't because we're trying to hide anything. It's just that we can't go around writing a specific player is on steroids without proof -- and with steroids being an illegal drug, players are rather reluctant to admit their use.

Even without such admissions, however, it is obvious that steroid use has had an enormous effect on baseball in the past decade. Ten or so years ago, players built like Canseco were the exception in baseball. Now there are so many muscles in the game that a major league clubhouse can resemble the Bulgarian women's weight lifting team locker room (only with more goatees). Part of the muscle growth is due to greatly increased weight lifting programs. Part of it is due to improved offseason conditioning. And part of is due to steroids.

The question is whether anyone really cares enough to do anything.

Oh, people say they care. Fans say they hate steroid use almost as much as they hate Donald Fehr and Bud Selig. But they also really enjoy watching home runs sail into the upper deck. After all, Mark McGwire used the performance-enhancer androstenedione four years ago when he broke Roger Maris' single-season home run record. Did that stop anyone from cheering him? Sports Illustrated periodically preaches against the evils of steroid use, but the magazine sure seems to glorify a lot of players who have some suspiciously large muscles. And SI isn't the only media outlet in that boat.

Do the players care? As long as many see steroids as a means to boosting production and salaries, they're going to be reluctant to ban their use.

Do the owners care? Selig says he strongly favors testing, but with another work stoppage looming and with the owners threatening to gas two or more teams, steroid testing isn't on the back burner, it isn't even in the kitchen.

It's time to start caring though. If a substance is illegal in the United States, it should be illegal in the major leagues.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

Testing won't rid baseball of steroids any more than it rid the Olympics of steroids. But it will discourage steroid use and check its growth. If players worry that they might lose a year's salary due to a suspension, they also will be less likely to risk steroid use to boost their pay.

The only way to reduce the use of steroids is to reduce the rewards for those using them. As the Ironic Times put it in a headline on its website: "85 Percent of Players on Steroids, The Rest on Waivers.''

Box score line of the week
Prior to this month, only 12 players had homered four times in a game. Only one player had done it 15 years. Only three had done it in the past 40 years.

And then two guys did it within three weeks. First, Mike Cameron homered four times against the White Sox. Then last Thursday, Shawn Green did it against the Brewers in what might have been the greatest offensive performance in major league history. Not only did Green hit a record-tying four home runs, he also doubled and singled to go 6-for-6, scored a record-tying six runs and set the record for total bases in a game (19). He is the first player to have six hits, six runs and six RBI in a game. He hit nine home runs on a six-game road trip, raising his home run total from three to 12. And all this after an 0-for-18 slump.

Green's line: 6 AB, 6 R, 6 H, 7 RBI, 4 HR

How hot was Green? During one stretch, he was 11-for-13 with seven home runs and 14 RBI. Read it and weep: He doubled, homered, homered, homered, singled, homered, homered, struck out, singled, singled, walked, grounded out, homered, hit a sacrifice fly and homered.

All that was with one bat, which broke on the final home run and was promptly sent to Cooperstown. "It died a hero," Green said.

No word whether the bat had Wonderboy and a lightning bolt burnt into the wood.
 
But...the are making Fair power hitters - good power hitters and good ones great.......Hand/Eye connection has to be there first.
 
Face facts....PITCHING SUCKS ANYMORE in the majors. LOL!!! That is your primary contributor to all the home run bunnies.
 
Days of the Tantric said:


It's still not that easy. I'm a good case in point. This offseason, I lifted heavy and went into the season at about 213. No steroids, but that's not the point. In the past I have played at about 190. In any case, with my minimal skills, more strength creates more bat speed. I'm crushing the ball this year.

However, I have never mastered the art of hitting the bottom half of the ball, so I hit hard lines drives. Never high enough to make it over a fence. I could take steroids and become stronger and I may have a quicker bat and hit the ball even harder, but until I completely focus on changing the arc of my swing, i'll never hit home runs.




So - you just agreed with me. LOL


My point was that the hand/eye link to hit the bottom half of the ball must be deleloped with or without gear to be a smasher. The gear just makes you a bigger smasher.
 
Days of the Tantric said:


However, I have never mastered the art of hitting the bottom half of the ball, so I hit hard lines drives. Never high enough to make it over a fence. I could take steroids and become stronger and I may have a quicker bat and hit the ball even harder, but until I completely focus on changing the arc of my swing, i'll never hit home runs.

yeah, but if you HAVE an uppercut, extra strength and bat speed will obviously pad your home run totals.

nobody's saying steroids are turning omar vizquel into babe ruth, but to deny that they offer any aid in peoples' attainment of high home run totals is ludicrous.
 
What does Shawn Green's performance have to do with steroids?

I think his surge is more the result of some slumpbustin fat chick than gear.
 
Steroid can give you an extra boost. But as DOT said you need to mastered the basic skills. Then why Big Mac was taking "Andro" ? Just for fun ? Why all those soccer players get busted with nandrolone ? Just cause its cool ?

It's not about protecting their health. We all know that steroids taken in an intelligent way wont kill you. It's more about an example for kids. Here in Canada we're already facing a big problem with all those junior (and even midget) hoeckey players on juice. ........
 
Hmmmmmm...don't know if I buy into the diluted pitching angle either. By the same logic - the hitting is diluted as well because you have guys in a daily position playing because of expansion. Same deal with the pitchers.


Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom. Their era should be dropping due to:

1 - the best pitchers in the league should be able to handle the best hitter IF gear use is not an issue

2 - The best pitchers era should actually drop due to the diluted hitting aspect above.


Thoughts?
 
Days of the Tantric said:


I've never denied that. I agree with that in most cases. But the increase in home runs has much more to do with expansion that it does with steroid use.

agreed. expansion, smaller ballparks, ballparks at altitude have all contributed. but so have steroids.
 
Cornholio said:
Hmmmmmm...don't know if I buy into the diluted pitching angle either. By the same logic - the hitting is diluted as well because you have guys in a daily position playing because of expansion. Same deal with the pitchers.


Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom. Their era should be dropping due to:

1 - the best pitchers in the league should be able to handle the best hitter IF gear use is not an issue

2 - The best pitchers era should actually drop due to the diluted hitting aspect above.


Thoughts?

good points, corn. my guru bill james claims that expansion has not even kept up with population increases. of course, kids don't play baseball like they did back in granddad's day.

maddux and pedro in recent years HAVE posted ERA's which are record setting and unprecedented when compared to the league average, so i think hitting IS diluted as well.
 
HappyScrappy said:
one of my friends has a cousin.
this cousin plays in the major leagues.
this cousin is Shawn Greene.


Tell yo cuz to hook my ass up......
 
Uhhhh...didn't MLB actually juice the ball for more run production specifically targeting more homeruns? Secondly, aren't MLB teams building ballparks to cater to their superstars or stars? When the fence is 320ft away from home plate i could crush one over the fence.

Also what the hell is roids gonna do for you? Enable you to crank a homer 500ft when the fence is only 380ft away from home plate? I bet you a guy who weighs 190 and is agile and flexable can throw a ball alot harder and more accurate then a guy who weighs 250lbs and is musclebound.

In conclusion, in a sport like baseball, STEROIDS do not make that big a difference. Hockey and football are a different story.
 
Cure said:
Uhhhh...didn't MLB actually juice the ball for more run production specifically targeting more homeruns? Secondly, aren't MLB teams building ballparks to cater to their superstars or stars? When the fence is 320ft away from home plate i could crush one over the fence.

Also what the hell is roids gonna do for you? Enable you to crank a homer 500ft when the fence is only 380ft away from home plate? I bet you a guy who weighs 190 and is agile and flexable can throw a ball alot harder and more accurate then a guy who weighs 250lbs and is musclebound.

In conclusion, in a sport like baseball, STEROIDS do not make that big a difference. Hockey and football are a different story.

That's why Vlad Guerrero is the best player in the game.

Batting gloves are for pussies.
 
J-DAM said:


That's why Vlad Guerrero is the best player in the game.

Batting gloves are for pussies.

F***ing RIGHT MY FRIEND. When someone could hit a ball in the dirt and send it over the fence you know you BETTER RECOGNIZE!
 
Cornholio said:



Tell yo cuz to hook my ass up......

not my cousin. my friend. my friend is at Harvard Law now, the bastard. that whole family does really well.
he has all of Shawn's bball cards and they are all autographed.

I don't follow baseball anymore, but apparently those are worth something.
just what a rich kid needs
 
Cornholio said:
Baseball was so much easier when the only performance-enhancer we had to worry about was Wheaties.

Almost every day brings another steroid report. First, Jose Canseco said that 85 percent of major leaguers use steroids (based on his career, identical twin Ozzie must have been among the other 15 percent). Then Ken Caminiti told Sports Illustrated that he used steroids during his 1996 MVP season. Chad Curtis told SI that 40 to 50 percent of major leaguers use them as well.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

None of these revelations are exactly news -- everyone already knew steroid use is rampant in the major leagues, even if it isn't as high as Curtis or Canseco estimate. Every time a player shows up in spring training looking as if he's wearing bowling balls under his sleeves, only the naïve think his amazing 30-pound muscle gain was due to nothing more than winter arm curls.

If you wonder why reporters don't come straight out and write this instead of letting players attribute it to (wink,wink) offseason weight lifting, it isn't because we're trying to hide anything. It's just that we can't go around writing a specific player is on steroids without proof -- and with steroids being an illegal drug, players are rather reluctant to admit their use.

Even without such admissions, however, it is obvious that steroid use has had an enormous effect on baseball in the past decade. Ten or so years ago, players built like Canseco were the exception in baseball. Now there are so many muscles in the game that a major league clubhouse can resemble the Bulgarian women's weight lifting team locker room (only with more goatees). Part of the muscle growth is due to greatly increased weight lifting programs. Part of it is due to improved offseason conditioning. And part of is due to steroids.

The question is whether anyone really cares enough to do anything.

Oh, people say they care. Fans say they hate steroid use almost as much as they hate Donald Fehr and Bud Selig. But they also really enjoy watching home runs sail into the upper deck. After all, Mark McGwire used the performance-enhancer androstenedione four years ago when he broke Roger Maris' single-season home run record. Did that stop anyone from cheering him? Sports Illustrated periodically preaches against the evils of steroid use, but the magazine sure seems to glorify a lot of players who have some suspiciously large muscles. And SI isn't the only media outlet in that boat.

Do the players care? As long as many see steroids as a means to boosting production and salaries, they're going to be reluctant to ban their use.

Do the owners care? Selig says he strongly favors testing, but with another work stoppage looming and with the owners threatening to gas two or more teams, steroid testing isn't on the back burner, it isn't even in the kitchen.

It's time to start caring though. If a substance is illegal in the United States, it should be illegal in the major leagues.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

Testing won't rid baseball of steroids any more than it rid the Olympics of steroids. But it will discourage steroid use and check its growth. If players worry that they might lose a year's salary due to a suspension, they also will be less likely to risk steroid use to boost their pay.

The only way to reduce the use of steroids is to reduce the rewards for those using them. As the Ironic Times put it in a headline on its website: "85 Percent of Players on Steroids, The Rest on Waivers.''

Box score line of the week
Prior to this month, only 12 players had homered four times in a game. Only one player had done it 15 years. Only three had done it in the past 40 years.

And then two guys did it within three weeks. First, Mike Cameron homered four times against the White Sox. Then last Thursday, Shawn Green did it against the Brewers in what might have been the greatest offensive performance in major league history. Not only did Green hit a record-tying four home runs, he also doubled and singled to go 6-for-6, scored a record-tying six runs and set the record for total bases in a game (19). He is the first player to have six hits, six runs and six RBI in a game. He hit nine home runs on a six-game road trip, raising his home run total from three to 12. And all this after an 0-for-18 slump.

Green's line: 6 AB, 6 R, 6 H, 7 RBI, 4 HR

How hot was Green? During one stretch, he was 11-for-13 with seven home runs and 14 RBI. Read it and weep: He doubled, homered, homered, homered, singled, homered, homered, struck out, singled, singled, walked, grounded out, homered, hit a sacrifice fly and homered.

All that was with one bat, which broke on the final home run and was promptly sent to Cooperstown. "It died a hero," Green said.

No word whether the bat had Wonderboy and a lightning bolt burnt into the wood.

Shawn Green is on Roids???????
 
Cornholio said:
But...the are making Fair power hitters - good power hitters and good ones great.......Hand/Eye connection has to be there first.

True.........strength might turn a 20 HR hitter into a 30 HR hitter.
 
WODIN said:
Face facts....PITCHING SUCKS ANYMORE in the majors. LOL!!! That is your primary contributor to all the home run bunnies.

Lower mound, losing the ability to pitch inside, umpires not calling the inside pitch or the actual strike zone (knees to armpits), smaller ball parks, and expansion all are in the mix. Not to mention the fact that todays hitters are students of the game and have unbelievable tools to help them know what to expect from any given pitcher. Advance scouting and TV are huge reasons.

Whereas pitchers can only make the ball do so much. I say bring back the "spitter" :D
 
Days of the Tantric said:

Like Piazza said last night, if steroids were creating home run hitters, every professional bodybuilder would be playing baseball.

Half of them probably can't straighten their arm out enough to even throw a ball.
 
J-DAM said:
What does Shawn Green's performance have to do with steroids?

I think his surge is more the result of some slumpbustin fat chick than gear.

YAAAAAA I laughed my ass off when Grace told the world about the slumpbuster baseball secret.
 
Cornholio said:
Hmmmmmm...don't know if I buy into the diluted pitching angle either. By the same logic - the hitting is diluted as well because you have guys in a daily position playing because of expansion. Same deal with the pitchers.


Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom. Their era should be dropping due to:

1 - the best pitchers in the league should be able to handle the best hitter IF gear use is not an issue

2 - The best pitchers era should actually drop due to the diluted hitting aspect above.


Thoughts?

The best pitchers in the league face a full line-up (starters) only once every 5 days. The best closers might face 6 guys (usually the best pinch hitters the other team has) every other day or every third day. Good pitching is said to beat good hitting but it only takes a little mistake for the best pitcher to get beat. # 1 & 2 starting pitchers get 30-35 starts per year, out of those 1/3 they will be on top of their game, 1/3 they will have their average stuff, the other 1/3 they will suck and have to battle.

Top 5 ERA's by Games Won in '92:

K Brown 21 & 11 3.32
J Morris 21 & 6 4.04
T Glavine 20 & 8 2.76
G Maddux 20 & 11 2.18
J McDowell 20 & 10 3.18

'97
R Clemens 21 & 7 2.05
R Johnson 20 & 4 2.28
D Neagle 20 & 5 2.97
B Radke 20 & 10 3.87
S Estes 19 & 5 3.18

'02
C Schilling 10 & 1 2.93
M Buehrle 8 & 3 2.77
P Byrd 8 & 2 2.88
T Glavine 8 & 2 1.59
K Ishii 8 & 1 2.90

'92 Average ERA for the top game winners = 3.10
'97 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.87
'02 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.61

It did just the opposite of what you thought. That mushroom is old.
 
rudedawg said:


The best pitchers in the league face a full line-up (starters) only once every 5 days. The best closers might face 6 guys (usually the best pinch hitters the other team has) every other day or every third day. Good pitching is said to beat good hitting but it only takes a little mistake for the best pitcher to get beat. # 1 & 2 starting pitchers get 30-35 starts per year, out of those 1/3 they will be on top of their game, 1/3 they will have their average stuff, the other 1/3 they will suck and have to battle.

Top 5 ERA's by Games Won in '92:

K Brown 21 & 11 3.32
J Morris 21 & 6 4.04
T Glavine 20 & 8 2.76
G Maddux 20 & 11 2.18
J McDowell 20 & 10 3.18

'97
R Clemens 21 & 7 2.05
R Johnson 20 & 4 2.28
D Neagle 20 & 5 2.97
B Radke 20 & 10 3.87
S Estes 19 & 5 3.18

'02
C Schilling 10 & 1 2.93
M Buehrle 8 & 3 2.77
P Byrd 8 & 2 2.88
T Glavine 8 & 2 1.59
K Ishii 8 & 1 2.90

'92 Average ERA for the top game winners = 3.10
'97 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.87
'02 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.61

It did just the opposite of what you thought. That mushroom is old.

Actually - I said that the ERA SHOULD go down if diluted hitting was a real thing.

I should have said era versus hr allowed to see if the dinger total was up even though era is down
 
Cure said:
Uhhhh...didn't MLB actually juice the ball for more run production specifically targeting more homeruns? Secondly, aren't MLB teams building ballparks to cater to their superstars or stars? When the fence is 320ft away from home plate i could crush one over the fence.

Also what the hell is roids gonna do for you? Enable you to crank a homer 500ft when the fence is only 380ft away from home plate? I bet you a guy who weighs 190 and is agile and flexable can throw a ball alot harder and more accurate then a guy who weighs 250lbs and is musclebound.

In conclusion, in a sport like baseball, STEROIDS do not make that big a difference. Hockey and football are a different story.

I agree................well except that part about you being able to crush one over the fence.:D :D

But if a guy "misses" one and the fact that he did roids effects the distance the ball travels by 15 ft........all of a sudden a ball that would have went 320' now goes out of LF where the fence is 330'.
 
Cornholio said:


Actually - I said that the ERA SHOULD go down if diluted hitting was a real thing.

I should have said era versus hr allowed to see if the dinger total was up even though era is down

Corn your statement was this "Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom.

We all know the dinger total is up. Hell my 9 yr old knows that.
 
rudedawg said:



'02
C Schilling 10 & 1 2.93
M Buehrle 8 & 3 2.77
P Byrd 8 & 2 2.88
T Glavine 8 & 2 1.59
K Ishii 8 & 1 2.90

'92 Average ERA for the top game winners = 3.10
'97 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.87
'02 Average ERA for the top game winners = 2.61

It did just the opposite of what you thought. That mushroom is old.

really shoulda' used last year's stats since this season is only 50 games in.

last year:

M Morris 22-8 3.16
C Schilling 22-6 2.98
R Johnson 21-6 2.49
M Mulder 21-8 3.45
R Clemens 20-3 3.51


'01 Average ERA for the top game winners = 3.12

still, no significant difference.
 
rudedawg said:


Corn your statement was this "Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom.

We all know the dinger total is up. Hell my 9 yr old knows that.


I also said this:

2 - The best pitchers era should actually drop due to the diluted hitting aspect above.


Now the roid angle would possibly come into play to see the number of homers allowed by just the top 5 guys that you listed versus the other top 5 guys from the time periods....


You ARE right though - I certainly did mispeak on the ERA going up though.......I meant to say declining
 
Here is a good info piece about why more guys a hitter the ball farther and harder:

Rise in Offence Stats - Research
Subject: In 1993, I predicted (on videotape) that the number of homeruns would sharply rise and the 60 home run level would be challenged by a number of players.

Over the past few years there has been much speculation about the cause for the sharp rise in offense numbers, especially home runs. Normally a 50 home run hitting performance would be fairly rare. Today it is becoming more common even if we do not include Sammy and Big Mac. Most of the experts claim this rise is the result of players getting stronger and the lack of good pitching. Others would blame it on juiced balls; although manufactures claim it isn't true. Research I conducted leads me to a very different conclusion. Findings from that research indicates the rise in offense stats is more due to a growing number of players who have mastered a type of swing mechanics that allows them to generate much greater bat speeds.

The study covered nine years (1988 to 1996) and required literally thousands of hours. The first two years I spent charting the swing of nearly all major league ball players. I would video tape games shown on television and replay the swings back in frame by frame action. By placing a piece of clear plastic over the screen I was able to trace the movement of each part of the hitters body along with the bats reaction. I repeated this for each frame as the swing progressed. From the time the swing was initiated to the point of contact required from 4 to 6 frames depending on the mechanics of the batter.

To insure I correctly identified the players' mechanics, I charted 15 swings for each player over a two-year period. After much trial an error, I was able to devise a system whereby I could identify players according to the characteristics of their batting mechanics. I used 39 different batting characteristics and developed 12 swing type classifications. It was truly amazing how close the performance stats were for players with the same swing classification (same basic mechanics).

I think the most interesting finding that came from the study was that all the very top hitters exhibited a swing mechanic not found in any of the other players. --- They initiate the swing with what I termed "top hand torque" (top hand pulling back toward catcher while initiating the swing). In 1988 I identified 21 players who initiated the swing with this type of mechanic --- they dominated the stats.

By 1993, the list that I could identify as attempting the mechanic had grown to 48. A quick check in 1995 indicated the list was increasing at a faster rate. Not all were executing the mechanic correctly, but a number of players were getting it close enough to cause a considerable raise in the offense stats. Top hitters like Griffey, Sosa, Bonds and Big Mac now have that mechanic fairly well down pat.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the major reason for the sharp rise in the number of homeruns and top hitters can be traced to the availability of improved VCRs that provide a good clear frame-by-frame breakdown of the baseball swing. This has allowed many players to study and emulate the rotational mechanics used by the most productive hitters.
 
rudedawg said:


I agree................well except that part about you being able to crush one over the fence.:D :D


Only if you were pitching though. :D

But if a guy "misses" one and the fact that he did roids effects the distance the ball travels by 15 ft........all of a sudden a ball that would have went 320' now goes out of LF where the fence is 330'.

Very true and great point.
 
Why are people making a big fuss about pro and competetive athletes using steroids, when you have people on this very board using them for non competitive reasons and or personal amusement?
 
runner said:


really shoulda' used last year's stats since this season is only 50 games in.

last year:

M Morris 22-8 3.16
C Schilling 22-6 2.98
R Johnson 21-6 2.49
M Mulder 21-8 3.45
R Clemens 20-3 3.51


'01 Average ERA for the top game winners = 3.12

still, no significant difference.

I was going to but I was just doing what Corn asked.

Bottom line it is still a game played by humans.........they might have a great AB, night, week, month, season, career but they can also have just the opposite.

In this era of baseball the hitters IMO have a huge advantage over the pitchers.
 
thermo said:
Why are people making a big fuss about pro and competetive athletes using steroids, when you have people on this very board using them for non competitive reasons and or personal amusement?


I don't see anyone condemning it???
 
Bob Costas' little speech on his show came across like it was the end of the world that B-ball players were using steroids. If he is so concerned about steroid use breaking his precious baseball records, then why not ban weightlifting? Why not ban Tommy John surgery? Why not ban better equipment? In a nutshell, if the records are all he cares about saving why not ban everything that was not identical to the days of old when the records were made? After all, innovations and training methods have as much to do with records being broken as steroids do, so ban that too. The batters are not the only ones using steroids, I suspect. So if the pitchers are using, would that not make it comparable and somewhat equivalent in terms of difficulty to break new records? If there was a benefit to batters only then I can see where there might be some argument. But I doubt there is any special advantage.

I for one, have never understood baseball rules. They seem frigged up to me. They let Strawberry, Gooden, Howe and others do illicit drugs on the same level as Keith Richards yet they continually get further chances to continue playing. Yet Pete Rose makes a bad gambling decision and gets banned for life from baseball. Where's the sense in that? Yeah, let's sweep coke use under the rug and proclaim the evils of gambling and steroid use.
 
-Pitchers are throwing faster so when contact is made with the ball it goes farther.

-Steroids don't improve hand-eye coordination. Masturbation does.

-Uppercut swing will send the ball out further, but the chance of popping out is greater. Also high rising fast balls, 95% of the time, blow right past an uppercut swing making for very good highlights.

-With more teams around, there are more pitchers. Guys with less talent are playing, and contribute to the increase of home runs. I'm not implying they don't have skill, but when they are pitching against guys like Bonds, Sheff [best stance in baseball btw], Sosa, Bagwell, etc., balls are more likely to be hit for dingers.

-Sometimes pitchers have an off game, month, season, and leave some hangers. Everyone can pretty much crush a hanger.

-Homeruns make the game exciting. More homeruns = more excitement. More excitement = more money for MLB. MLB wants homeruns.

-Unrelated: Bonds pisses me off. If he doesn't hit a HR, then he doesn't run. There are 2 kinds of baseball players. Those who run, and those who should.
 
Rex said:
-Pitchers are throwing faster so when contact is made with the ball it goes farther.

-Steroids don't improve hand-eye coordination. Masturbation does.

-Uppercut swing will send the ball out further, but the chance of popping out is greater. Also high rising fast balls, 95% of the time, blow right past an uppercut swing making for very good highlights.

-With more teams around, there are more pitchers. Guys with less talent are playing, and contribute to the increase of home runs. I'm not implying they don't have skill, but when they are pitching against guys like Bonds, Sheff [best stance in baseball btw], Sosa, Bagwell, etc., balls are more likely to be hit for dingers.

-Sometimes pitchers have an off game, month, season, and leave some hangers. Everyone can pretty much crush a hanger.

-Homeruns make the game exciting. More homeruns = more excitement. More excitement = more money for MLB. MLB wants homeruns.

-Unrelated: Bonds pisses me off. If he doesn't hit a HR, then he doesn't run. There are 2 kinds of baseball players. Those who run, and those who should.

Nice post. I have been trying to find something new to try to increase my hand to eye coordination. There are also a lot more people in the world........problem is not enough kids are getting the proper instruction or they don't play at all.

It has been proven that it is impossible for a pitched ball to rise unless it is thrown at an upward angle.
 
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