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Major League Baseball and steriods...

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Days of the Tantric said:


I've never denied that. I agree with that in most cases. But the increase in home runs has much more to do with expansion that it does with steroid use.

agreed. expansion, smaller ballparks, ballparks at altitude have all contributed. but so have steroids.
 
Cornholio said:
Hmmmmmm...don't know if I buy into the diluted pitching angle either. By the same logic - the hitting is diluted as well because you have guys in a daily position playing because of expansion. Same deal with the pitchers.


Pull the stats of the ERA of the top 5 game winners in each league from 1992, 1997, and 2002 and look at the era mushroom. Their era should be dropping due to:

1 - the best pitchers in the league should be able to handle the best hitter IF gear use is not an issue

2 - The best pitchers era should actually drop due to the diluted hitting aspect above.


Thoughts?

good points, corn. my guru bill james claims that expansion has not even kept up with population increases. of course, kids don't play baseball like they did back in granddad's day.

maddux and pedro in recent years HAVE posted ERA's which are record setting and unprecedented when compared to the league average, so i think hitting IS diluted as well.
 
HappyScrappy said:
one of my friends has a cousin.
this cousin plays in the major leagues.
this cousin is Shawn Greene.


Tell yo cuz to hook my ass up......
 
Uhhhh...didn't MLB actually juice the ball for more run production specifically targeting more homeruns? Secondly, aren't MLB teams building ballparks to cater to their superstars or stars? When the fence is 320ft away from home plate i could crush one over the fence.

Also what the hell is roids gonna do for you? Enable you to crank a homer 500ft when the fence is only 380ft away from home plate? I bet you a guy who weighs 190 and is agile and flexable can throw a ball alot harder and more accurate then a guy who weighs 250lbs and is musclebound.

In conclusion, in a sport like baseball, STEROIDS do not make that big a difference. Hockey and football are a different story.
 
Cure said:
Uhhhh...didn't MLB actually juice the ball for more run production specifically targeting more homeruns? Secondly, aren't MLB teams building ballparks to cater to their superstars or stars? When the fence is 320ft away from home plate i could crush one over the fence.

Also what the hell is roids gonna do for you? Enable you to crank a homer 500ft when the fence is only 380ft away from home plate? I bet you a guy who weighs 190 and is agile and flexable can throw a ball alot harder and more accurate then a guy who weighs 250lbs and is musclebound.

In conclusion, in a sport like baseball, STEROIDS do not make that big a difference. Hockey and football are a different story.

That's why Vlad Guerrero is the best player in the game.

Batting gloves are for pussies.
 
J-DAM said:


That's why Vlad Guerrero is the best player in the game.

Batting gloves are for pussies.

F***ing RIGHT MY FRIEND. When someone could hit a ball in the dirt and send it over the fence you know you BETTER RECOGNIZE!
 
Cornholio said:



Tell yo cuz to hook my ass up......

not my cousin. my friend. my friend is at Harvard Law now, the bastard. that whole family does really well.
he has all of Shawn's bball cards and they are all autographed.

I don't follow baseball anymore, but apparently those are worth something.
just what a rich kid needs
 
Cornholio said:
Baseball was so much easier when the only performance-enhancer we had to worry about was Wheaties.

Almost every day brings another steroid report. First, Jose Canseco said that 85 percent of major leaguers use steroids (based on his career, identical twin Ozzie must have been among the other 15 percent). Then Ken Caminiti told Sports Illustrated that he used steroids during his 1996 MVP season. Chad Curtis told SI that 40 to 50 percent of major leaguers use them as well.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

None of these revelations are exactly news -- everyone already knew steroid use is rampant in the major leagues, even if it isn't as high as Curtis or Canseco estimate. Every time a player shows up in spring training looking as if he's wearing bowling balls under his sleeves, only the naïve think his amazing 30-pound muscle gain was due to nothing more than winter arm curls.

If you wonder why reporters don't come straight out and write this instead of letting players attribute it to (wink,wink) offseason weight lifting, it isn't because we're trying to hide anything. It's just that we can't go around writing a specific player is on steroids without proof -- and with steroids being an illegal drug, players are rather reluctant to admit their use.

Even without such admissions, however, it is obvious that steroid use has had an enormous effect on baseball in the past decade. Ten or so years ago, players built like Canseco were the exception in baseball. Now there are so many muscles in the game that a major league clubhouse can resemble the Bulgarian women's weight lifting team locker room (only with more goatees). Part of the muscle growth is due to greatly increased weight lifting programs. Part of it is due to improved offseason conditioning. And part of is due to steroids.

The question is whether anyone really cares enough to do anything.

Oh, people say they care. Fans say they hate steroid use almost as much as they hate Donald Fehr and Bud Selig. But they also really enjoy watching home runs sail into the upper deck. After all, Mark McGwire used the performance-enhancer androstenedione four years ago when he broke Roger Maris' single-season home run record. Did that stop anyone from cheering him? Sports Illustrated periodically preaches against the evils of steroid use, but the magazine sure seems to glorify a lot of players who have some suspiciously large muscles. And SI isn't the only media outlet in that boat.

Do the players care? As long as many see steroids as a means to boosting production and salaries, they're going to be reluctant to ban their use.

Do the owners care? Selig says he strongly favors testing, but with another work stoppage looming and with the owners threatening to gas two or more teams, steroid testing isn't on the back burner, it isn't even in the kitchen.

It's time to start caring though. If a substance is illegal in the United States, it should be illegal in the major leagues.

It's time for the Players Association to care about something more than a paycheck. It's time for the union to agree to a steroid ban and a testing program. This isn't about giving away power to the owners, this is about protecting the long-term health of union members.

Testing won't rid baseball of steroids any more than it rid the Olympics of steroids. But it will discourage steroid use and check its growth. If players worry that they might lose a year's salary due to a suspension, they also will be less likely to risk steroid use to boost their pay.

The only way to reduce the use of steroids is to reduce the rewards for those using them. As the Ironic Times put it in a headline on its website: "85 Percent of Players on Steroids, The Rest on Waivers.''

Box score line of the week
Prior to this month, only 12 players had homered four times in a game. Only one player had done it 15 years. Only three had done it in the past 40 years.

And then two guys did it within three weeks. First, Mike Cameron homered four times against the White Sox. Then last Thursday, Shawn Green did it against the Brewers in what might have been the greatest offensive performance in major league history. Not only did Green hit a record-tying four home runs, he also doubled and singled to go 6-for-6, scored a record-tying six runs and set the record for total bases in a game (19). He is the first player to have six hits, six runs and six RBI in a game. He hit nine home runs on a six-game road trip, raising his home run total from three to 12. And all this after an 0-for-18 slump.

Green's line: 6 AB, 6 R, 6 H, 7 RBI, 4 HR

How hot was Green? During one stretch, he was 11-for-13 with seven home runs and 14 RBI. Read it and weep: He doubled, homered, homered, homered, singled, homered, homered, struck out, singled, singled, walked, grounded out, homered, hit a sacrifice fly and homered.

All that was with one bat, which broke on the final home run and was promptly sent to Cooperstown. "It died a hero," Green said.

No word whether the bat had Wonderboy and a lightning bolt burnt into the wood.

Shawn Green is on Roids???????
 
Cornholio said:
But...the are making Fair power hitters - good power hitters and good ones great.......Hand/Eye connection has to be there first.

True.........strength might turn a 20 HR hitter into a 30 HR hitter.
 
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