High carb/low carb???

[ck2006]

Question:
I have had one trainer put me on a 40p/30c/30f program and my new one for bulking 17p/77.3c/5.6f. Now I have read protein builds muscle so I am assuming that is the reason for the 1st program.

what is the theory of the higher carbs? I have tried looking on the internet, can't find the answer.

I am going to be asking my trainer but impatient want to know the answer right now

 

[Sassy69]

Easy - protein is the stuff to build muscle with, but carbs are the stuff that fuels the building. For ex when we talk about employing carb cycles and if you have the flexibility in your training schedule, you want to put your heaviest lifting day on the high carb day. If you go higher carbs for a few days and train, you will notice an incredible increase in your strength because you have the energy to do it balls to the wall. That's the whole idea behind high carb / "bulking".

 

[ck2006]

Easy - protein is the stuff to build muscle with, but carbs are the stuff that fuels the building. For ex when we talk about employing carb cycles and if you have the flexibility in your training schedule, you want to put your heaviest lifting day on the high carb day. If you go higher carbs for a few days and train, you will notice an incredible increase in your strength because you have the energy to do it balls to the wall. That's the whole idea behind high carb / "bulking".

ahhhhh!!!! Excellent!!! I knew you would be the one to answer, one more question then, with the lower protein though how is it possible to gain muscle? because I understand that I will have the energy to do the workout with the high carbs but then am I getting enough protein to build the muscle?

 

[Sassy69]

ahhhhh!!!! Excellent!!! I knew you would be the one to answer, one more question then, with the lower protein though how is it possible to gain muscle? because I understand that I will have the energy to do the workout with the high carbs but then am I getting enough protein to build the muscle?

I was wondering a little about that small amount of protein - I'm not sure where that equation came from - I'd go higher. Is he trying to watch the total cals? I dunno - that's a question for the trainer.

 

[ck2006]

I was wondering a little about that small amount of protein - I'm not sure where that equation came from - I'd go higher. Is he trying to watch the total cals? I dunno - that's a question for the trainer.

She is watching cals, She has bumped up my cals to 2400 and I know they are going to go even higher. I will ask

Thanks

 

[Sassy69]

It might take a bit of experimentation to find out what the different ratios do for your particular body - but 70% carbs seems a bit high to me -- on me that would most likely turn into a lot of excess fat even if I trained my proverbial balls off. I would definitely ask how your trainer arrived at that ratio and also if she has any strategy for testing how well it is achieving the goal of it and also how she might adjust it if needed. I'd approach it by checking bodyfat say every 3 days and weight just to track how your muscle mass & fat mass are changing.

 

[ck2006]

It might take a bit of experimentation to find out what the different ratios do for your particular body - but 70% carbs seems a bit high to me -- on me that would most likely turn into a lot of excess fat even if I trained my proverbial balls off. I would definitely ask how your trainer arrived at that ratio and also if she has any strategy for testing how well it is achieving the goal of it and also how she might adjust it if needed. I'd approach it by checking bodyfat say every 3 days and weight just to track how your muscle mass & fat mass are changing.

Well based on my trainer last time to this time, even in the short amount of time. I do know my body does respond better to higher carbs. How ever, I also know it is a fine line cause my body does loves carbs, and given I am only doing two cardio sessions a week I am a little scared but at the same time excited to see what happens. I don't know if I can check my bodyfat every three days but it would be nice

 

[Sassy69]

Well based on my trainer last time to this time, even in the short amount of time. I do know my body does respond better to higher carbs. How ever, I also know it is a fine line cause my body does loves carbs, and given I am only doing two cardio sessions a week I am a little scared but at the same time excited to see what happens. I don't know if I can check my bodyfat every three days but it would be nice

I guess the point is that you can plan anything but given all the variables involved, you really should at least do some sort of tracking to see if it is really working for you or not & have some sort of plan to adjust up or down & have the time & patience to experiment. I'd also journal everything you do and any checking of weight / bodyfat as you go along so you can know what works & what doesn't / how you respond. It doesn't help much if you don't trust what yoru trainer is having you do or if you fear doign it because you'll gain weight or whatever - its still an experiment -- but I would pretty much tell any trainer to go fuck themselves if they aren't willing to work the experiment and communicate w/ me about it - esp if I'm not a first-timer and actually want to understand in detail how it is all working. At least for me a "Trust me & just do what I say" doesn't work for me.

 

[ck2006]

I guess the point is that you can plan anything but given all the variables involved, you really should at least do some sort of tracking to see if it is really working for you or not & have some sort of plan to adjust up or down & have the time & patience to experiment. I'd also journal everything you do and any checking of weight / bodyfat as you go along so you can know what works & what doesn't / how you respond. It doesn't help much if you don't trust what yoru trainer is having you do or if you fear doign it because you'll gain weight or whatever - its still an experiment -- but I would pretty much tell any trainer to go fuck themselves if they aren't willing to work the experiment and communicate w/ me about it - esp if I'm not a first-timer and actually want to understand in detail how it is all working. At least for me a "Trust me & just do what I say" doesn't work for me.

I getcha! I am inbetween right now just cause of learning, but I really do trust my trainer. I just haven't asked her the right questions or any and that is my fault. She is open to anything. But I find that one hour with her I am trying to focus on the workout, like I said my own fault.

 

[Sassy69]

I getcha! I am inbetween right now just cause of learning, but I really do trust my trainer. I just haven't asked her the right questions or any and that is my fault. She is open to anything. But I find that one hour with her I am trying to focus on the workout, like I said my own fault.

Then ask to set aside some time for her to explain her whole large-scale strategy. It may help you to understand the day-to-day parts of the routine better. Since this is a learning process for you, make sure you get the whole picture so it becomes your knowledge. "Fitness" is not a perfect or well-documented science - its basically a bunch of rules of thumb, some backed by some scientific studies, some by basic biology/chemistry and some just from observation, but beyond that, it almost completely depends on the combination of diet, training, cardio, sleep, stress, where you are starting from and your particular body chemistry. As if that represents a "controlled environment"... -- always ask questions - I'd even write them down after you train, go home & have a chance to let your head clear from the "in the gym" time and refocus on some stuff that maybe doens't make sense or you just want to understand how it all fits together or why this or that. And then hit up your trainer at times when you aren't on the training clock.