Gaining fat but I havent changed a thing!!!

[maddie121]

I'm using two supplements an MD with an interest in this stuff recommended to me:

1.) DIM
2.) calcium d-gluterate [/B]

Evilqueen: Is DIM a prescription product or supplement? What is calcium d-gluterate?

VLchick: Everyone has given you good nutritional advice. W6, Spatts, and MS have much more exp. than me, but I would also like to suggest you drop the oatmeal . I used to rotate cream of rice, oat bran, and oatmeal w/ in my breakfasts. EVERYTIME I'd have some oatmeal, I'd start holding water. I have no idea why I know it makes some people hold water and I didn't think it'd make such a difference, but it does for me.

I too am a student and I'm sure with the stresses of finals and the stresses of waiting tables, you're body is in stress mode Maybe you just need to give yourself a break. Hang in there.

BTW, I am also taking a fatburner w/ yohimbe HCI and guggulbolic. I am sweating much more than usual and I'm also really hot at night, esp. when I up my dose to twice a day instead of only once. I'm always hot and I have to put the air on to like 72, for me to get to sleep!

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Maddie, that's really interesting! Maybe it is the adipo. I swear I always have to keep the windows open at night and its like 45 degrees lately and I still can't sleep under the covers. My roommate Melissa and I have been having wars about that. She keeps waking up and closing the windows cuz she's freezing and I open them when she goes back to bed because I'm still really hot.

The stress suggestion is also something to keep in mind. Could someone offer the science behind that? I have heard that stress can make you gain fat before and I would like to know more about the mechanisms behind that. Bump for w6 and others who know this technical stuff.

 

[MS]

I may have missed something, but why does Cornholio think you're only eating 1200-1300 cals per day? I thought you said you were on 1600-1700 plus lots more on the weekends which should be fine? If Corn is correct then I agree your cals are too low. Otherwise they may be too high. It depends on your gaols, but for show dieting I eat 1800-2000 cals per day and I suspect I have more LBM than VLC. But my refeeds are pretty strictly low/no fat and high carb. If you're eating lots of fat on the weekends then you may be setting yourself back. BC pill can't help, even at low dose. Do you have any way of measuring whether the weight gain is water, fat or muscle?? How long have you been dieting for? Is your cardio increasing, or staying the same from week to week? Are your lifts going up?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Cornholio said that I was getting 1200-1300 cal/day when he subtracted the amount of calories that cardio and lifting would burn.

Lifts are steadily increasing. I did 50 lb dumbells for overhead shoulder presses last week (like 3 or 4 reps) and 8 reps at 40 lb. Cardio has been increasing in intensity and I have been going longer than I had. I'm always "dieting" if by that you mean watching what I eat and keeping track. Atleast since January.

I can tell its fat and not water by how things look and feel. Its water and air when I have my period. That just feels like everything is bloated. I'm not bloated. I'm gaining fat.

 

[The Shadow]

I may have missed something, but why does Cornholio think you're only eating 1200-1300 cals per day? I thought you said you were on 1600-1700 plus lots more on the weekends which should be fine? If Corn is correct then I agree your cals are too low. Otherwise they may be too high. It depends on your gaols, but for show dieting I eat 1800-2000 cals per day and I suspect I have more LBM than VLC. But my refeeds are pretty strictly low/no fat and high carb. If you're eating lots of fat on the weekends then you may be setting yourself back. BC pill can't help, even at low dose. Do you have any way of measuring whether the weight gain is water, fat or muscle?? How long have you been dieting for? Is your cardio increasing, or staying the same from week to week? Are your lifts going up?

What I said was taking into consideration her cardio - her total caloric intake is anywhere form 1050 and a little higher. Actually less if you subtract the calories form weight training. IMO - too few calories. Either bump up the toal calories slightly from protein/fat ot cut back on cardio.

The idea behing the morning temp is to roughly judge MBR. YOu should be a minimum of 98 to be in a good state of fat burning. Adipo will throwe that off, so take the temp after at least 6-8 hours of bed.

 

[magdelana]

VLC, a Tanita bf scale is only $100 and it is a good general measure to track your bf. Certainly dont be a slave to it as it WILL vary due to dehydration and amount of food in your system, but it is quite accurate in general.

I checked it maybe 4 times to hydrostatic tests at university and it is accurate to 1% of the "gold standard".

Tips to get good readings:
Always measure at full hydration. Measure when you first rise and it will show a higher reading.
Mesure at the same time every day after the same number of meals.

I dont know how much it eases me to be able to get a reliable APPROXIMATION in my own bedroom. Mmmm....am i getting fatter, lets see. Its better then the caliper i think to measure the difference between water and fat. Go to Walmart, buy one, use it every day for a week, see if the like it, and if not take it back.

 

[magdelana]

O i forget to mention that i am also a vegertarian and i have pushed my lbm up to 170 over the years. I eat 4 dozen of the largest egg whites (jumbo in amerika) every day.

I dont advise counting protein from oatmeal and such as it is certainly inferior type. Eggs are the very best, better then any meat. I say only count your eggs as your protein intake when figuring the amount and any little help you get from your oats and such is just a little bit extra.
People will disagree with me, but protein types are not all equal in quality for muscle building.

 

[The Shadow]

I dont know how much it eases me to be able to get a reliable APPROXIMATION in my own bedroom. Mmmm....am i getting fatter, lets see. Its better then the caliper i think to measure the difference between water and fat. Go to Walmart, buy one, use it every day for a week, see if the like it, and if not take it back.

It's a better appoximation than a BI scale, I guarantee you that.....

Have you ever used one?? If so, then I am sure you realize that the reading can vary as much as +-4% within an hour after eating.....

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Actually I have a Tanita scale and I have found it to be unreliable and inaccurate. It says I'm like 28-29% body fat, but that's not at all close to the caliper measurements. In fact, I got my caliper reading 5 weeks ago and it was 21.7%. Before that, a different trainer measured me at 20%. The scale said I was 29% at the time. And it has said that I am both 26 and 29% bf in the same day.

Although, you did mention that the scale costs $100 and the one I have costs $45 so perhaps the one you are referring to is of better quality than the one I have.

 

[The Shadow]

Actually I have a Tanita scale and I have found it to be unreliable and inaccurate. It says I'm like 28-29% body fat, but that's not at all close to the caliper measurements. In fact, I got my caliper reading 5 weeks ago and it was 21.7%. Before that, a different trainer measured me at 20%. The scale said I was 29% at the time. And it has said that I am both 26 and 29% bf in the same day.

Although, you did mention that the scale costs $100 and the one I have costs $45 so perhaps the one you are referring to is of better quality than the one I have.

Girlie - a better quality one will not change the way it calculates bf.


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