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Egg beaters are equivalent to egg whites. I can't get egg whtes at school..its either eggsor egg beaters.
Gaining fat but I havent changed a thing!!!
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SteelWeaver
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I'm vegetarian, I'm cutting, and I'm getting over 200g of protein a day. Wanna know how? 26 frickin' egg whites a day, that's how! 
...... with a bit of cottage cheese (the brand I buy, although not low fat, seems to contain basically no carbs). But that's getting deep-ended tomorrow, and for the first time in my 16-week diet odyssey, I will be using *some* powder.
I hate eating that many egg whites, for a lot of different reasons, but I have two over-riding, unchangeable passions in my life - to remain vegetarian, and to be the very best bodybuilder I can be within the dietary/pharmaceutical restrictions I have outlined for myself.
Oatmeal egg-white pancakes - it's the only way to go. Good luck, girlie, you can do it - really, you can do it. You've made great progress already.
Here, check this out:
Breakfast: oatmeal, eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa
Mid-morning: oatmeal, oatmeal eggwhite pancake with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa
Lunch: oatmeal eggwhite pancake with dash of cottage cheese, veggies
Snack: eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa, lots of veggies
Dinner: eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa, lot of veggies
...... with a bit of cottage cheese (the brand I buy, although not low fat, seems to contain basically no carbs). But that's getting deep-ended tomorrow, and for the first time in my 16-week diet odyssey, I will be using *some* powder.
I hate eating that many egg whites, for a lot of different reasons, but I have two over-riding, unchangeable passions in my life - to remain vegetarian, and to be the very best bodybuilder I can be within the dietary/pharmaceutical restrictions I have outlined for myself.
Oatmeal egg-white pancakes - it's the only way to go. Good luck, girlie, you can do it - really, you can do it. You've made great progress already.
Here, check this out:
Breakfast: oatmeal, eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa
Mid-morning: oatmeal, oatmeal eggwhite pancake with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa
Lunch: oatmeal eggwhite pancake with dash of cottage cheese, veggies
Snack: eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa, lots of veggies
Dinner: eggwhite omelette with dash of cottage cheese, dash of salsa, lot of veggies
VeggieLifterChick
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Steelweaver, much respect to your iron willed dedication, but I think you might be insane. How in the world do you get that down every single day every single meal?
SteelWeaver
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Pure terror of looking crap on stage!!! That's how! LOL! Really, ANYTHING is possible, depending on how badly you want it. I would have looked at this diet a year ago and barfed! Now it's just normal to me.
Although the following help: splenda, stevia, cinnamon, anise seeds, caraway seeds, basil, oregano, paprika, cayenne pepper, chili powder, curry powder, you get the picture ...
And I change veggies depeding on what's cheap and my mood - so broccoli some days, cabbage some days, mixtures most days ...
Honestly though, those oatmeal eggwhite pancakes are great! I don't have ANY problems eating those day in, day out - I really CAN live on those. It's the egg whites on their own that's so gross, although once in omelette form with spices they're not too bad either. I *could* use more powders I guess, but I hate being hungry more than I find the egg whites distasteful.
Oh, and weekly low fat high carb refeeds make everything tolerable. Go read about refeeds on the diet board - the blandest most boring diet can be made half sane with refeeds.
I wouldn't do this type of diet if I weren't doing it for a contest though - I'd go with something with a bit more variety - this type of plan is unsustainable in the long term, as it should be - I don't think it's healthy to eat a limited range of the same things all the time for very extended periods. I can't wait for my gaining phase!
Although the following help: splenda, stevia, cinnamon, anise seeds, caraway seeds, basil, oregano, paprika, cayenne pepper, chili powder, curry powder, you get the picture ...
And I change veggies depeding on what's cheap and my mood - so broccoli some days, cabbage some days, mixtures most days ...
Honestly though, those oatmeal eggwhite pancakes are great! I don't have ANY problems eating those day in, day out - I really CAN live on those. It's the egg whites on their own that's so gross, although once in omelette form with spices they're not too bad either. I *could* use more powders I guess, but I hate being hungry more than I find the egg whites distasteful.
Oh, and weekly low fat high carb refeeds make everything tolerable. Go read about refeeds on the diet board - the blandest most boring diet can be made half sane with refeeds.
I wouldn't do this type of diet if I weren't doing it for a contest though - I'd go with something with a bit more variety - this type of plan is unsustainable in the long term, as it should be - I don't think it's healthy to eat a limited range of the same things all the time for very extended periods. I can't wait for my gaining phase!
VeggieLifterChick
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Hmmm...whats your recipe for the pancakes?
macrophage69alpha
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Welcome to the world of ESTROGEN.. which makes it easier for your body to store fat and keep it, plus has the magical benefit of decreasing circulating T3...
what to do long term??
though it may be that you are on the pill, if so.. getting off of it or changing to a lower dose may help.
ALA to a certain extent may help as well
for estrogenic fat loss oral yohimbine is helpful, though most get better results with topical.
arimidex may be an option, though at a low dose.. what exactly?? (and only if not on the pill)
an anabolic like anavar may help also (partly because it will suppress estrogen production)
what to do long term??
though it may be that you are on the pill, if so.. getting off of it or changing to a lower dose may help.
ALA to a certain extent may help as well
for estrogenic fat loss oral yohimbine is helpful, though most get better results with topical.
arimidex may be an option, though at a low dose.. what exactly?? (and only if not on the pill)
an anabolic like anavar may help also (partly because it will suppress estrogen production)
Macrophage,
what is arimidex? where can you get it? also, why would topical yohimbe be better than oral? i've heard that the topical stuff is bogus. (i mean, no disrespect, but if it worked, wouldn't EVERYONE IN AMERICA be using it?)
is there anything else you know of that could suppress estrogen or get the excess out of your body?
VLC, i don't know if estrogen is your problem, but it sure as hell is mine. I'm using two supplements an MD with an interest in this stuff recommended to me:
1.) DIM
2.) calcium d-gluterate
what is arimidex? where can you get it? also, why would topical yohimbe be better than oral? i've heard that the topical stuff is bogus. (i mean, no disrespect, but if it worked, wouldn't EVERYONE IN AMERICA be using it?)
is there anything else you know of that could suppress estrogen or get the excess out of your body?
VLC, i don't know if estrogen is your problem, but it sure as hell is mine. I'm using two supplements an MD with an interest in this stuff recommended to me:
1.) DIM
2.) calcium d-gluterate
T
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VeggieLifterChick said:
hmmmm- no dierespect to Wilson et al...but......I do NOT think that changing the macronutrient profile and keeping caloreis contant is the thing to do at this point. While keeping insulin levels lower via lower carb intake will probably help the body drop some fat, I think that main thing at this point is sluggish metabolism from too few calories.
Less than 1700 daily....minus 400 to 650 5 days per week via cardio.
She weighs 135. SO she is getting anywhere from ~1050 to 1250 per day?? NOt taking into account calories burned from lifting
VCL - take your temp first thing when you wake up in the morning and post it tomorrow please....
VeggieLifterChick
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I will take the temperature tomorrow and post it. I just got up at 1:30 (um, can you tell I'm in college? I went to bed at like 4 last night because its finals time) and I feel really hot. I don't know if that's any indication, but I tend to feel like I heat up when I sleep. Does sleeping raise your body temp? That seems to be counterintuitive since you arent doing anything, but I definitely feel it. You know what else is odd? WHen I take adipo I get chilly, and it raises the body temp.
Macrophage: I am taking adipokinetix, which has yohimbine HCI in it. On weekends I have been taking a really low dose of it. I usually take 2 capsules 3x a day plus 1 gugulbolic 3x a day with it. On weekends I either take nothing at all or 1 capsule 2x.
I am also on birth control, but it is very low dose. It may be the lowest dose you can find. I believe it is 25 (mg? mcg? whatever the unit is) of estrogen.
Rez, I think mixing up the cardio sounds like a good idea. Instead of the high intensity later in the day as I have been doing, I will try lower intensity FTIT"Morning" this week.
Now, you all have me pretty damn confused about the total calorie and amount of carb questions. That's because each answer you're offering has either worked for you or has good scientific rationale behind it or both. Gladiola and I seem to have similar responses to carbs and sugar and interestingly we have about the same stats though I have a feeling she's got more lean mass than I have (but its hard to tell because she won't post her pic yet..nudge nudge). Gladiola has said that she can lose on 1800 with carb numbers where mine are IF they are extremely devoid of sugar. SHe checked out my Fitday record and said I can definitely clean up my carbs further. For instance, I have a bowl of high fiber cereal for breakfast, cracklin oat bran with soy milk. Compared to the stuff my roommates eat, that feels really clean. But compared to what you all eat, that's, uh, pretty "dirty." So I can make progress in that department. I took that into account this morning, when I ate whole grain oatmeal with 1 scoop of protein powder instead. Also, like I said before, Spatts' suggestion to drop the carbs to 150g sounded very reasonable, because its not drastically low but still lower than I'm used to. You can see my low days were like 165g. Rez suggested cutting the carbs to 50g. I'm afraid that would make me crazy. I tried sticking to 100g one day and I was a really, really mean person. I simply can't function there. There's no way I could do cardio. Maybe I would need to progress to that point by lowering the carbs over time?
Now, to clarify, what has concerned me is not a plateau. It is that this has been my diet for 4 or 5 weeks now and in the first two weeks I LOST some fat, and since last week or so I have been GAINING it back. This is what I am trying to figure out.
Thank you to everyone who has added their input, it is very helpful and valuable. I am trying to implement your advice.
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Macrophage: I am taking adipokinetix, which has yohimbine HCI in it. On weekends I have been taking a really low dose of it. I usually take 2 capsules 3x a day plus 1 gugulbolic 3x a day with it. On weekends I either take nothing at all or 1 capsule 2x.
I am also on birth control, but it is very low dose. It may be the lowest dose you can find. I believe it is 25 (mg? mcg? whatever the unit is) of estrogen.
Rez, I think mixing up the cardio sounds like a good idea. Instead of the high intensity later in the day as I have been doing, I will try lower intensity FTIT"Morning" this week.
Now, you all have me pretty damn confused about the total calorie and amount of carb questions. That's because each answer you're offering has either worked for you or has good scientific rationale behind it or both. Gladiola and I seem to have similar responses to carbs and sugar and interestingly we have about the same stats though I have a feeling she's got more lean mass than I have (but its hard to tell because she won't post her pic yet..nudge nudge). Gladiola has said that she can lose on 1800 with carb numbers where mine are IF they are extremely devoid of sugar. SHe checked out my Fitday record and said I can definitely clean up my carbs further. For instance, I have a bowl of high fiber cereal for breakfast, cracklin oat bran with soy milk. Compared to the stuff my roommates eat, that feels really clean. But compared to what you all eat, that's, uh, pretty "dirty." So I can make progress in that department. I took that into account this morning, when I ate whole grain oatmeal with 1 scoop of protein powder instead. Also, like I said before, Spatts' suggestion to drop the carbs to 150g sounded very reasonable, because its not drastically low but still lower than I'm used to. You can see my low days were like 165g. Rez suggested cutting the carbs to 50g. I'm afraid that would make me crazy. I tried sticking to 100g one day and I was a really, really mean person. I simply can't function there. There's no way I could do cardio. Maybe I would need to progress to that point by lowering the carbs over time?
Now, to clarify, what has concerned me is not a plateau. It is that this has been my diet for 4 or 5 weeks now and in the first two weeks I LOST some fat, and since last week or so I have been GAINING it back. This is what I am trying to figure out.
Thank you to everyone who has added their input, it is very helpful and valuable. I am trying to implement your advice.
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