First Cycle Help

[palmer09]

Hey guys/gals,

First post so Hi from Australia

I'm looking at doing an oral only cycle to help me cut up and maybe gain a little bit more muscle. I was thinking a very low dose of d-bol only cycle with a cutting agent to help (winny etc) Then followed by my PCT.

My Stats:

Weight; 87kg
Height: 6 Foot
Age: 20
Bf: 10%
Health: Perfect everything. I'm very fit being a swimmer and liver values are excellent!
Goal: To get a little bit more muscle. My full goal is to be a little bigger but ripped. (i know i wont achieve this on d-bol only so any advice on a good thing to cut me up to take either with the d-bol or after it, or even by itself without any d-bol would be great!)

With 4 years on and off of weights experience under my belt. So i eat right and train well. Im a very easy natural gainer. Just want to get ripped.

Here is a pic of me at the moment all natural:
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/palmer_006/Image008-2.jpg

Question is:
1) What would be good for my PCT? (Nolva only as the dosage is low?)
If so what would be a good PCT for it?

2) What can be used with a d-bol only cycle to help me get cut?? (If i choose to do d-bol)

I'm only a novice when it comes to steroids but thought i would ask a few questions to help me gain some knowledge


Any help would be great guys/gals. As i haven't gone and rushed into anything and want all the info i can before doing anything.

EDIT: Sorry if i posted in the wrong section


Cheers,
Palmer09

 

[Tux]

Oral-only cycles are usually not a good idea. You're only 191lbs at 6ft so you're not very big at all... why do you NEED to get cut? Work on adding a little more mass first with basic cycle like test and deca, or test and eq. If you simply HAVE to do an oral-only cycle, I'd recommen anavar at 40-60mg/day... but that's goona cost ya. You'd save money by using plain test and dbol to bulk up, then maybe some test prop and winny to cut down.

 

[palmer09]

Yeah i heard a lot about oral only cycles not being a good idea (liver values, lose what you gain etc). But then there are plenty of people saying they are fine and get good gains. I'm thinking because i can gain muscle fairly easy (last 3 weeks i've improved heaps. when i started training right and dieting) i could get some good gains for my first cycle being oral only d-bol or anavar??

Only thing i want to keep down is my bodyfat % and water retention. keep me looking fairly well cut. But bulk up a bit more.

What about the PCT for anavar? and how long should in run it for?

I want to do oral only as i want to see how steroids affect me in the first place before i start injecting.

Any advice guys?

 

[2DIEZEL]

D-bol will make you retain water and bloaty looking so if your trying to cut thats not a good choice. If your afraid to inject try some anavar train and eat smart.

 

[palmer09]

Yeah i was thinking about anavar after more research. It seems good. and i'm willing to pay the extra money for it.

I made a thread about the anavar i can get and posted a pic of it. Not sure if its legit or not.

Here is the link to my other thread.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/gear-pictures-anabolic-steroids/anavar-legit-661465.html



I was planning on taking 20-30mg ED for 6 weeks or so. so what would be a good PCT for that?

I was thinking Nolva 20/20/20/10/10? or is that too much for a PCT for this small cycle? and is nolva efficient enough for this to regain my natural test levels?

Appreciate the help people

Any more help on dosage and mainly PCT would be great guys

cheers,
Palmer09

 

[RickO'Shea]

up the dose to 40mg ed but if it were me and you were now just seeing results from training and good diet(last three weeks anyway) Just stay off. You're seeing really good gains from finally getting your diet in check, just run that till you cant see any gains from your diet. Then tweek your diet a little more and when that fails Run some Var. Just my 2cents....Why? Cause you are only twenty. Give it a couple more years for your natural test to do their thing.

 

[palmer09]

plenty of gains to be had still at 20 aye?

when does the body's testosterone start to level out a little more? around 22?

mmm im definately think about it mate. cheers for that.

But if i still decide to go ahead with the anavar. what would be a good PCT?? (the one i wrote up a couple of posts ago??)

Many thanks people

 

[palmer09]

Anyone?

 

[Militant80]

Im failry new on this site and im only on my 3rd cycle now so im faily inexperienced compared to others on this site but ill give my opinion anyway for what its worth.

Firsty i saw your pic. Your about the same size i was when i was natural. But i started training (if only basic) at 16 and didnt start taking steds till i was 28. Its up to you mate its your body but 20 is pretty young to start introducing extra testosterone to your body. Your still probably growing and developing. I wouldnt recommend steds yet.

But if you are gonna do it the d-bol probably isnt the best while cutting. For me i do Sustanon. Only use 25o a week for your first time. I did 12 weeks. I used D-bol for the first 5 weeks while i was waiting for the test to kick in. I then used Clen at the end to cut the fat.

With re to PCT your read so many different posts and opinions. Some seem so anal about taking exactly this and exactly that. Personally I just ran Nolva only for a month and i was fine after. Start off on 40mg a day for the fist 2 weeks then drop to 20mg a day for the last 2 weeks. I was fine and i had no problems with lag, sexual performance or anything. But thats just my body.

Please know though that steroids are hard to drop once you start. Your only 20 and that early to start. Ive heard so many people say im only gonna do 1 cycle just to get a bit ahead then go natural again (myself included) but Ive never seen anyone stick to that yet.

IMO wait til you are maybe 24 then see how you feel. Check your diet see what other factors you can change first. But if you do start then good luck with it and go with the injectables and avoid d-bol only if your trying to cut. D-bol will pack you full of water. Just use the d-bol as a kick start. Just my humble opinion. Im sure the more experienced guyd will correct me for my poor advice.

Nice Tattoo by the way.

 

[palmer09]

Cheers for that mate

Yeah i know im young at the moment to use them. and its a big factor contributing to me not already taking them.

I'm thinking of starting my cycle (if i do) on the Anavar only to see how i go. And use Nolva 40/40/20/20 like you said (i have already thought that would be sufficient). will be doing a 6ish week course at around 20-30mg per day (prob 30 if i can)

and cheers for the tat comment haha

will keep your opinion in consideration man