Female on cycle

[new@gettinbig]

Taking a cycle is not going to give her a mental edge..and all women battle the same thing she is going through with where she is carrying her fat...Taking a cycle isn't going to automatically change all that..I would seriously look into her diet first...changes in that alone can make a big difference...she may be eating the wrong kinds of food and not even know it...It takes a while to get the diet thing down for everyone..you have to play with it a bit and see what works for you..like sassy said post a sample of what she is eating now.

 

[Onebadmofo]

First, thanks for all your help. Second, I'm not sure if steroids are ever a good idea. However, when someone has their mind made up, it's pretty difficult to convince them otherwise. Let me put it this way ... she's is going to do some kind of cycle and I want your help on what to choose that will be the "safest" and most beneficial. Excuse my ignorance when it comes to women's physiology, but Sassy suggested that the fat around her thighs/butt is estrogen related ... would it be stupid to think that taking some kind of anti-estrogen supplement would be beneficial? Or would that just screw her hormones up? I think she is going to try something like anavar/yohimburn combo, but im not sure. Could you please recommend doses and procedure for a cycle.... She understands the risk but her mind is made, please help.

 

[_mo23]

I am not recommending that she take anything, but if your dead set, I'd go with anavar. That is what I am doing now. I started out at 5mg a day, then bumped it up to 10. I worked really hard to get as far as I could without taking anything. I have also taken t3, and hated it. Thats just me. I did lose fat, but I swear I lost a lot of muscle too. I would try to get her to listen to what the other girls said, they are more experienced than me, and their advice has helped me a lot! Hope this helped you.

 

[takniteasy]

Try the yohimburn for about 4-6 weeks first. I did and got pretty good results. I totally agree with lifting heavy and eating clean for decreasing BF. However, for estrogenic (female?) fat the yohimbine HCl seems to work, both orally and topically.

Just my .02

 

[Sassy69]

I'm confused -- if she has her mind made up to do a cycle, does she know why?? From your posts there seems to be either a lot of misinformation or simply no understanding of what "a cycle" is. It won't add a mental edge - if anything she may experience heightened anxiety or extra stress - though not what I'd call "roid rage", several of the girls who have done cycles noted that they were extra "testy". Perhaps some of the ladies can chime in w/ details on this...

If the goal is to lose more bodyfat in her hips and thights, first of all, no such thing as spot reduction (excluding the claimed slight locational reduction from Yohimbine / Yohimbine products). So any bodyfat reduction will come at a rate proportional to the fat deposits around her body. She is 16% bf now and I still note that her weight is kinda low for her height. Is the purpose to have a "model" look? If her body fat drops around 12%, this generally borders on approaching competition bodyfat levels - not so sure how healthy those levels are to maintain. Esp. at her age. The issue is that at levels around 12% and lower, some women lose their period and then all the issues around decreased calcium and potential pre-osteoporosis come into play. (Note that these are extreme cases - but I am trying to illustrate the difference between a "perceived look" and the potential costs of trying to achieve this.)

Also keep in mind the potential for bloating, acne, etc. from a cycle. Especially if she is not lifting or dieting consistently. The whole purpose may backfire.

If she can clearly explain why a cycle will be the appropriate approach, then consider it. If not, then I strongly suggest doing ALOT more research, consider a different route to the goal, or change the goal. Just because she has access to AS and maybe sees you doing it or hears about it, does not mean that "self prescribing" is the right thing to do.

As with anyone, this is her decision to make, but there are better, less invasive ways of achieving goals that will last longer and have more controllable results and side effects.

I'm not trying to come across as a hard ass or anything, I just highly value understanding what is going on w/ AS and also the body chemistry that is involved. A quick fix doesn't necessarily work out the way you expect so you are better of educating yourself before diving in. Ultimately it will be her decision what she puts into her body, and her results and consequences. Even if she does decide to do it, she really should have a clue about diet & training required to get good results. Can you post what she is doing now perhaps we can help there with some suggestions she might be willing to try before committing to a cycle.

 

[Onebadmofo]

*** I attached an email from my gf below, these are her questions:

I work out 5-6 times a week. I do my upper body workout mondays, wed, and fridays and lower body tues, thurs, and sat. I do cardio for 30-45 minutes every day.
I use both free weights and machines. My diet should be a lot better, and i know that. I am not hungry very often, so I dont eat as much as I need to. My goal is to lose bodyfat and increase my muscle tone. Previous methods have taken me a long way, however, I feel i have reached a plateau, and need help.

 

[Sassy69]

How heavy does she lift? Cardio every day can be catabolic. Diet is the most important of all of it. TRUST ME - I did 2 competitions all natural with nothing stronger than a Ripped Fuel on training days. I dropped from 16% bf to 8% bf in 14 weeks by training hard, adding in cardio on an empty stomach in the morning and by watching my diet - I cycled hi and low carb days with my workout schedule and as the competition approached I started cutting my total caloric intake a little (prob too much in my opinion). But it worked w/o AS.

You've stated that your diet needs to be a lot better and you don't eat enough. Even anorexic people can have higher body fat than you'd think - its called "skinny fat". Ya gotta EAT! Adding in AS isn't gonna help with that if you aren't eating enough to pound thru the workout you will have the strength to do. The experienced girls can probably add more, but bottom line is that if your diet isn't where it should be, even training harder isn't really going to get you results. Eating bad is like giving your car a complete tune up and then throwing mud in the gas tank.

Give us a sample of your diet and let's see what we can do with this....!

 

[new@gettinbig]

Why is she training lower body 3 times a week?? She could be OVER doing that a little...I hit legs 1 x a week..and they are sore for at least 2-3 days..she needs to train HEAVY..she will NOT get big...She should split up her bodyparts and train them 1 x a week..chest/back, legs, arms/shoulders...or you can do chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders....however she wants to do it..DIET is #1 when it comes down to it..no way around it...you cant eat a few times a day here and there and expect any kind of results at all..your body needs food...the less she eats she is actually doing more harm then good...5-6 meals EVERYDAY..consistently!

Plan, prepare and do it ahead of time...make your meals the night before or on the weekends...you gotta eat every few hours..If her diet is off..then her training is going to be doing her no good whatsoever..she midas well not train...how can muscle grow when it has no food to go on????? It is pretty simple and basic and if she cant even eat a basic clean diet right now on her own..then using AS is way out of the question..all these things should be in order way before consideration of using anything...and if she does do a cycle she will be wasting her money cause she will have absolutely no gains if her diet and training is not there....

1 yr is not that long to be training...and if she is serious then she needs to get serious about her diet first..do that for a year or 2 and then see where that takes her body..doing it half ass and then wanting to take drugs to make up the difference is not going to cut it sorry!!!

 

[manny78]

My gf has been working out for over a year. She's 5'11" 138lbs, body fat approx 16%. Just this last month she went on a clenbutural cycle (2wks on 2wks off, and on the off weeks she used Xenadrine). She got good results, however, she wants to bump it up a notch ... maybe run some T3 or something similar.
Can someone on here please recommend a serious fat burning muscle toning cycle that will help her get in great shape? Thanks in advance!

5'11" and 138 lbs ? whats the prob ? WHy are you looking to put her on T3 ? there's no wieght to lose. Let's say many girls would wish to be 5'11 and 138 lbs, consider yourself lucky

 

[Onebadmofo]

Thanks so much for all the intelligent responses ... there is obviously much knowledge on this board. I take it that the reason she has hit a plateau is due to her lack of proper diet.
I want to help her out with her diet, however, I only know what's good for men... I'm not sure if the same applies to women. How much protein should she eat a day? How much water should she drink? What sort of foods would be beneficial? Thanks everyone for working with us here, your help is much appreciated!