Dutch bags. Any BBing questions you may have Ill answer in this thread ..

[puddlemonkey]

Doing rest pauses kind of changes the whole dynamics of the exercise. You take the first set to failure, rack the weight and take 15 deep breaths, do a second set to failure, rack the weights and take 15 breathes, then do one more set to failure. For a total of 3 sets to positive failure within a single set. Normally I don't have a problem getting dbs in position for any press, but after going to failure and then barely catching my breath it makes hoisting them up a challenge.

Ah, I see. Didn't realize you two tools were doing odd shit, I've never been very good at reading an entire thread and getting all the info before replying

 

[ceo]

Thanks. I will look into those.

edit to add.... Ceo? Did you see the gym in the powerhooks video? WTF? Their equipment was set up out side in the dirt with a tarp over their racks. Crazy fucking Hawaiians.

lol...that is his home gym I guess huh? Wonder how close the nearest gym is to him?

 

[Wulfgar]

Hey wulfgar thanks for the great info, had a few q's if you don't mind.



Im going to start my first cycle in 2-4 weeks(Been on the board almost 3 years and I have everything in check and feel ready now) Problalby bought a dozen cycles across the years and never used em lol, but now I think im ready.

test E 250 week 1-12
Primo 400 week 1-12

Diet: around 4500 /350-400 protein-400carbs-80fat

Objective= lean bulk(drop a little body fat)

age 22 / bf% 14ish / weight = 205 /

cardio = 3 HIIT sessions per week, first thing in the am. (around 20 mins per session)

I've been digging around a new routine, I was going to follow Louis Berrios mass workout for the 3 months, what do you think of this?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/luis6.htm

I changed the first month to 4x4 instead of 3x3.

Do you think this workout is good for my objectives, or any recomendations?

Thanks alot,

-Eric

First of all this is your first cycle you have the advantage of very very clean receptor sites. Generally speaking I ALWAYS reccommend that everybody start off with a 28 day cycle of Deca( 200 mg every 7 days, no PCT). During this time Protien is 2G per lb of BW and calories should be 18-20 per lb of BW.
My reasons for this are many but the primary reason is long term gains. The other reason is the severity of sides. First you do not know how your body will respond to different AAS. And in a state of heightened sensitivity not only will the potential Anabolic/androgenic muscular benefits be realize but also will the SIDES. So in the interest of safety, long term results, and health for the begginer less is more.

Also just to get itout of the way I assume you have the prerequisite 2-3 years of hard serious weight training under your belt. Remember untrained muscle responds poorly to AAS due to less androgen, GH and insulin(several more as well) receptors and less area to be potentially effected by AAS. not to mention adequate nuero pathways, overall musculature, and the ability to deal with waste by-products.

your diet looks solid and I like the training regiment. Mkae sure to implement the heavier low rep workouts when you are on higher Androgenic drugs and use some of the techniques I outlined earlier when on more anabolic phases or during a non-chemically enhanced period. so what I am going to do is just map out a year of cycles for you. The last bro I had do this gained 50 lbs over the course of the year of hard mass.

Weeks 1-4 200 mg Deca per week
weeks 5-8 off AAS
week 9 200 mg primo(100 mg shot mon/thurs)/ 25 mg Var ed
week 10 200 mg primo/ 30 mg var ed
week 11 200 mg primo 35 mg var ed
week 12 200 mg primo 35 mg var ed

note: weeks 9-12 expect a 6-8 lb gain with 2 G protein per lb BW and 20 cal per lb of BW

weeks 13-15 off

week 17 Deca 400 mg 20 mg Dbol ed
week 18 deca 400 mg 25 mg dbol ed
week 19 deca 400 mg 30 mg dbol ed
week 20 deca 400 mg 35 mg dbol ed
week 21 deca 400 mg 35 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 22 deca 400 mg 30 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 23 deca 400 mg 25 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 24 deca 400 mg 20 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 25 nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 26 nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw

note: during that cycle again keep the protein @ 2g per lb Bw and 20 cal per lb BW(adjusted cause u will be bigger now)

Week 27 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 3xw
week 28 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 4xw
week 29 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 3xw
week 30 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 7xw
wee 31 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 7xw
week 32 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 100 mg 3xw HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 33 HCG 3000 iu 2xw 50 mg clomid 2xd
week 34 clomid 50 mg 1xd


take until week 48 of ALL AAS and then you will be ready to do the entire year over again. some good bros could get amazing gains for 3 years just repeating this protocol and sticking to the nutrition.


some notes:
If during weeks 17-24 liver dbol is a concern to you because of liver harshness primo is a good substitue week 17 50 mg/d; week 18 75 mg/d; week 19; 100 mg/d; week20 125 mg/d; week 21 150 mg/d; week 22 150 mg/d; week 23 100mg/d; week 24 50 mg/d

if you want to cut during any part of it weeks 30-35 are a good time to layer in some clen 80-120 mcg 2 days on 2 days off till week 35(of course this will limit LBM gains since your diet will be obviously biased toward a caloric deficiet)


Any question feel free to ask! good luck bor!

 

[Wulfgar]

wow great thread i just stumbled upon! wulf can u tell more on your theories on dnp? i seen u mention it before .. also do u think hgh is a waste to run alone

thatnks broly
what did you want to know about DNP? is it dangerous? yes. can it kill you? yes. Is it for everyone? No can it be an important part of an elite bodybuilders arsenal. Absolutely
give me a particular method you would like to utilize it in and ill do my best to answer it bor

HGH is a waste to run alone.
read my thread a few pages back on insulin.

 

[EricG]

First of all this is your first cycle you have the advantage of very very clean receptor sites. Generally speaking I ALWAYS reccommend that everybody start off with a 28 day cycle of Deca( 200 mg every 7 days, no PCT). During this time Protien is 2G per lb of BW and calories should be 18-20 per lb of BW.
My reasons for this are many but the primary reason is long term gains. The other reason is the severity of sides. First you do not know how your body will respond to different AAS. And in a state of heightened sensitivity not only will the potential Anabolic/androgenic muscular benefits be realize but also will the SIDES. So in the interest of safety, long term results, and health for the begginer less is more.

Also just to get itout of the way I assume you have the prerequisite 2-3 years of hard serious weight training under your belt. Remember untrained muscle responds poorly to AAS due to less androgen, GH and insulin(several more as well) receptors and less area to be potentially effected by AAS. not to mention adequate nuero pathways, overall musculature, and the ability to deal with waste by-products.

your diet looks solid and I like the training regiment. Mkae sure to implement the heavier low rep workouts when you are on higher Androgenic drugs and use some of the techniques I outlined earlier when on more anabolic phases or during a non-chemically enhanced period. so what I am going to do is just map out a year of cycles for you. The last bro I had do this gained 50 lbs over the course of the year of hard mass.

Weeks 1-4 200 mg Deca per week
weeks 5-8 off AAS
week 9 200 mg primo(100 mg shot mon/thurs)/ 25 mg Var ed
week 10 200 mg primo/ 30 mg var ed
week 11 200 mg primo 35 mg var ed
week 12 200 mg primo 35 mg var ed

note: weeks 9-12 expect a 6-8 lb gain with 2 G protein per lb BW and 20 cal per lb of BW

weeks 13-15 off

week 17 Deca 400 mg 20 mg Dbol ed
week 18 deca 400 mg 25 mg dbol ed
week 19 deca 400 mg 30 mg dbol ed
week 20 deca 400 mg 35 mg dbol ed
week 21 deca 400 mg 35 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 22 deca 400 mg 30 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 23 deca 400 mg 25 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d
week 24 deca 400 mg 20 mg dbol nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 25 nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 26 nolva/proviron 10/25 mg/d HCG 3000 iu 2xw

note: during that cycle again keep the protein @ 2g per lb Bw and 20 cal per lb BW(adjusted cause u will be bigger now)

Week 27 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 3xw
week 28 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 4xw
week 29 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 3xw
week 30 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 7xw
wee 31 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 50 mg 7xw
week 32 EQ 100 mg 3xW Winstrol 100 mg 3xw HCG 3000 iu 2xw
week 33 HCG 3000 iu 2xw 50 mg clomid 2xd
week 34 clomid 50 mg 1xd


take until week 48 of ALL AAS and then you will be ready to do the entire year over again. some good bros could get amazing gains for 3 years just repeating this protocol and sticking to the nutrition.


some notes:
If during weeks 17-24 liver dbol is a concern to you because of liver harshness primo is a good substitue week 17 50 mg/d; week 18 75 mg/d; week 19; 100 mg/d; week20 125 mg/d; week 21 150 mg/d; week 22 150 mg/d; week 23 100mg/d; week 24 50 mg/d

if you want to cut during any part of it weeks 30-35 are a good time to layer in some clen 80-120 mcg 2 days on 2 days off till week 35(of course this will limit LBM gains since your diet will be obviously biased toward a caloric deficiet)


Any question feel free to ask! good luck bor!

Bro this looks amazing, thanks for taking the time to write this out for me. Just had a few concerns.

Im starting University in 3 months and i need my digaling to be working , decca dick is just comming off right? not during cycle?

And the winstrol in week 27-32 is that inject or tabs?

Also do you recommend anything to subsitute for clen, I tried it almost 3 years ago and it made me all spacey and I couldnt concentrate on anything to save my life lol. Maybe it was just that batch or something, I could give it another shot if not.

Sorry, one more q lol. What about cardio, should I just do some when im seing im gaining a bit too much bf, or continously do 2-3 HIIT sessions per week throughout the program?

Im glad I asked you for advice, this looks awesome.

Thanks alot bro,

-Eric

 

[hurricane]

thatnks broly
what did you want to know about DNP? is it dangerous? yes. can it kill you? yes. Is it for everyone? No can it be an important part of an elite bodybuilders arsenal. Absolutely
give me a particular method you would like to utilize it in and ill do my best to answer it bor

HGH is a waste to run alone.
read my thread a few pages back on insulin.

u welcome best thread i have read in quite some time on here .. maybe the best ! anyways i have used dnp with good results but i seen u say u have theories on the BEST ways to use it, hopefully for MAX results .. i would appreciate if u could elaborate .. thanks in advance if u can

 

[Wulfgar]

Bro this looks amazing, thanks for taking the time to write this out for me. Just had a few concerns.

Im starting University in 3 months and i need my digaling to be working , decca dick is just comming off right? not during cycle?

And the winstrol in week 27-32 is that inject or tabs?

Also do you recommend anything to subsitute for clen, I tried it almost 3 years ago and it made me all spacey and I couldnt concentrate on anything to save my life lol. Maybe it was just that batch or something, I could give it another shot if not.

Sorry, one more q lol. What about cardio, should I just do some when im seing im gaining a bit too much bf, or continously do 2-3 HIIT sessions per week throughout the program?

Im glad I asked you for advice, this looks awesome.

Thanks alot bro,

-Eric

Dont be concerned with getting deca dick. the cyle/dose will not shut you down much. You will rebound fast.
Of you are concerned with natty test supplement with a good ZMA supplement, long jack, tribulus, eat about 1 lb of broccoli a day for estrogen control post cycle and u will be FINE

For the winstrol I recommend a combination of the 2. For instance you will be on for roughly 35 days right
so days 1-8, 18-26take the winny orally(split to 2 daily doses)
days 9-17, 27-35 go site specifically injectable(preferably 2 doses daily too)

doing it this way is far superior to just going oral or injectable. the body will down regulate and lose IGF-1 receptor sensitivity after about 2 weeks of oral use. So by alternating the protocol we keep the full array of benefits this powerful drug offers. (p.s. just drink the injectable winny)


try the clen again, take an antihistamine if it makes you feel weird like benedryl. Should help any sides If not get yourself some ephedrine and run that with a good caffiene/ yohimbe based fat burner.

your cardio is SPOT on brother!

Good Luck

 

[GUARDIAN]

try the clen again, take an antihistamine if it makes you feel weird like benedryl.Should help any sides If not get yourself some ephedrine and run that with a good caffiene/ yohimbe based fat burner.

your cardio is SPOT on brother!

Good Luck

benadryl works!

 

[Wulfgar]

u welcome best thread i have read in quite some time on here .. maybe the best ! anyways i have used dnp with good results but i seen u say u have theories on the BEST ways to use it, hopefully for MAX results .. i would appreciate if u could elaborate .. thanks in advance if u can

I utilize several rules when using DNP

1; assuring quality and dosing of my DNP(a mistake is not good and could severly injure or kill)
2: never take DNP within 3 hours of bedtime
3. at least 1 gallon pure H20 daily
4: 7mg/kg Bw is absolute MAX dose of DNP and then only for 5 days. 3-5 mg/kg is better
5: 2 grams of protein perlb of BW minimum
6. never use DNP for more than 21 consecutive days


some interesting points to consider when using DNP and my personal favorite use for it is to utilize it pre-cycle to clean out androgenic receptor sites and thereby heighten results for the AAS cycle(with less total Mg's used).
6 mg/kg for 5 days with high rep lighter weight higher intensity training coupled with some cardio and lots of sex is an amazing way to start off a program.

another interesting fact about DNP is that we know it is a powerful mediator of glucose transport(it actually about doubles it) into muscle cells. But also since glucose transport via DNP does not require insulin receptor substrate-1 phosphorylation potential muscle glycogen syntheisis during employment of DNP is about TWICE that of insulin.(kick ass right!! bear with me here)

DNP aids in inducing an environment of insulin resistnace in adipose(FAT) tissues decreasing fat cells abilityto get food. This happens due to some complex science beyond the scope of most meat heads reading this(basically due to basla glucose transport elevation during severe ATP depletion in the presence of GLUT-1 content in the plasma membrane and some other science geek stuff). That being said DNP increases caloric expendature as heat, increasesmuscle glucose transport but decreases fat cell activity.
Can we begin to see how using Insulin AND DNP simultaneously could in theory lead to monster muscle gains AND fat loss simultaneously?

Interestingly this employement results in a disticnt LACK of hypoglycemia in almost all cases. This is pretty sweet due to how dangerous exogenous insulin based hypoglycemia can potentially be(how bout, umm...fatal?)
This is most likely due to the fact DNP mangles the insulin and IGF-1 molecule(N-terminal truncation, it actually turns IGF-1 into the far more powerful DES (1-3) IGF-1). This mangling of the molecules changes the hypoglycemic and anabolic effects positively toward that of IGF-1 in both function and action



Keep in mind this shit is ONLY for very advanced users. I dont want to hear any noobs trying this shit. for them it is purely for education.

 

[Wulfgar]

benadryl works!

good bro material