DE bench compared to DE squat

[JOKER47]

but you have to remember that, in a competition, it often takes a bit to get the bar to touch, then you have to pause for a couple more seconds, when you're training DE bench with no pause at all

i know for sure my touch-n-go bench in the gym goes up w/ DE benching, but in competition, there's the equipment issue

Yes, that's true. (Even though I do not compete.) But from what I have experienced myself, the speed does help with the lift. (Eccentric?) I can hold the bar on my chest as long as I need to, and still explode up. And I don't use a shirt. All my bench moves, boards or not, are done with a 1-2 sec pause.

All I know, at least for me, the speed has been a huge help in getting my bench weight higher. Why? I am not an expert in the technical portion of that. But, I do know it works for me. And a hell of a lot of other people.

.02,
Joker

 

[coolcolj]

Train how you will lift in comp.

You should still do accleration work with lightrr weights, just that you don't have to drop the weight down fast. Lower it under control, pause on the chest and then ram it up.

That way your working on starting strnegth (ability to turn on all your fibers at the instant moment) and accleration strength to power through teh sticking point.

This is for powerlifting regs I mean. For athletes speed bench is of benefit. But plyo pushups and smith machien bench throws are even better since you don't need to decclerate

 

[jeremys]

Yes, that's true. (Even though I do not compete.) But from what I have experienced myself, the speed does help with the lift. (Eccentric?) I can hold the bar on my chest as long as I need to, and still explode up. And I don't use a shirt. All my bench moves, boards or not, are done with a 1-2 sec pause.

All I know, at least for me, the speed has been a huge help in getting my bench weight higher. Why? I am not an expert in the technical portion of that. But, I do know it works for me. And a hell of a lot of other people.

.02,
Joker

that's great that it works for you.

yes, it works well..seemingly to a point. look at benchmonster and irishpower from these boards. (i've posted this on this thread earlier).

i'm talking about elite lifters..and why the westside method for benching works until a point.

look at dave tate..it took him what, over a decade to bench 600? (im not knocking his lifts in any way..just questioning the methods)

i'm just trying to figure out why this is..

 

[JOKER47]

that's great that it works for you.

yes, it works well..seemingly to a point. look at benchmonster and irishpower from these boards. (i've posted this on this thread earlier).

i'm talking about elite lifters..and why the westside method for benching works until a point.

look at dave tate..it took him what, over a decade to bench 600? (im not knocking his lifts in any way..just questioning the methods)

i'm just trying to figure out why this is..

Ahhh, ok. I think I see the point you are making now.

Perhaps, it as simple as the somewhat well known theory that "Everything works, but nothing works forever".

Perhaps the elite lifters used a extremely effective type of training for years, and just "outgrew" it. The change to a different style was what they needed. Because WSB is so versatile and effective, one doesn't "outgrow" it for many years. That would be my best possible theory. Point being it's only a theory.


CCJ> I agree wholeheartedy with the "train like you compete" statement.
As far as the speed work, I actually found that doing both the eccentric and concentric quickly was more effective for me. Theory? If you lower the bar quickly, the same muscles that push the bar up have to stop the bar on the way down. You lose that if you lower the bar slowly.

Just my theory on that.


Joker

 

[jeremys]

Ahhh, ok. I think I see the point you are making now.

Perhaps, it as simple as the somewhat well known theory that "Everything works, but nothing works forever".

Perhaps the elite lifters used a extremely effective type of training for years, and just "outgrew" it. The change to a different style was what they needed. Because WSB is so versatile and effective, one doesn't "outgrow" it for many years. That would be my best possible theory. Point being it's only a theory.


CCJ> I agree wholeheartedy with the "train like you compete" statement.
As far as the speed work, I actually found that doing both the eccentric and concentric quickly was more effective for me. Theory? If you lower the bar quickly, the same muscles that push the bar up have to stop the bar on the way down. You lose that if you lower the bar slowly.

Just my theory on that.


Joker

yup, thats just another thing on what it COULD be..i wanna know exactly whats going on. lol

good post

 

[DBCooper]

Don't blame Dave for taking so long at getting to 600 he had a shoulder surgery in their and a pec tear, I've watched a 165'er go from 470 bench to him doing 580 in the gym and 540 or so at the Arnold in no time and he is close to 6 now at around 180, my bench was my weakest point and I went froma hard 473 to an easy 600 in around 2 years and am above that now, it all depends on how you push yourself, Before 723-473-650 after 875-600-765 you figure it out.

 

[jeremys]

Don't blame Dave for taking so long at getting to 600 he had a shoulder surgery in their and a pec tear, I've watched a 165'er go from 470 bench to him doing 580 in the gym and 540 or so at the Arnold in no time and he is close to 6 now at around 180, my bench was my weakest point and I went froma hard 473 to an easy 600 in around 2 years and am above that now, it all depends on how you push yourself, Before 723-473-650 after 875-600-765 you figure it out.

awesome..still not the general consensus, at least not of what i'm hearing

didnt know that about dave, it's understandable now.