Best way to get a higher Bench Max?

[Debaser]

TheProject: And as I have said before, if you're a proponent of what works, then why in the flying fuck would you ever support volume training? Sure "some" people make "some" gains but that doesn't mean it's all that effective. I know people that have gained doing 10 sets of 10. So fucking what? How many trainees here can deadlift 600 pounds? How many are even close? How many got there naturally, and ARE SMALL? Instead of focusing on fucking bullshit routines that have you doing 20 sets per bodypart to "ensure complete development" and hit the muscle from "all angles" whatever the fuck that is, how bout you try and achieve these huge lifts? I got news for you buddy, When you're [over]training 5 days a week it gets pretty fucking tough to consistantly add weight to the bar. I guarantee you'll plateau way before you exhaust your potential. But listen to the muscle mag routines, I'm sure those people have your best interests at heart. Forget Stuart McRobert and his brethren, who have helped god knows how many people realize their goals (higher goals than many people I see here that have done many cycles, by the way), and go read your latest issue of T-mag, AND YOU'LL GAIN 40 LBS IN 6 WEEKS!

spatts: I'm not saying it's "high volume" just highER volume than many can tolerate. Iron Addict followed it TO THE LETTER (and I know of few more experienced/knowledgable than he) and overtrained. He said many of the principles are great, and once he modified it to suit his recovery, he gained on every lift every week. He said the downside was his joints were torn up pretty bad, and that you need pretty robust joints to follow such a program.

 

[TheProject]

TheProject: And as I have said before, if you're a proponent of what works, then why in the flying fuck would you ever support volume training? Sure "some" people make "some" gains but that doesn't mean it's all that effective. I know people that have gained doing 10 sets of 10. So fucking what? How many trainees here can deadlift 600 pounds? How many are even close? How many got there naturally, and ARE SMALL? Instead of focusing on fucking bullshit routines that have you doing 20 sets per bodypart to "ensure complete development" and hit the muscle from "all angles" whatever the fuck that is, how bout you try and achieve these huge lifts? I got news for you buddy, When you're [over]training 5 days a week it gets pretty fucking tough to consistantly add weight to the bar. I guarantee you'll plateau way before you exhaust your potential. But listen to the muscle mag routines, I'm sure those people have your best interests at heart. Forget Stuart McRobert and his brethren, who have helped god knows how many people realize their goals (higher goals than many people I see here that have done many cycles, by the way), and go read your latest issue of T-mag, AND YOU'LL GAIN 40 LBS IN 6 WEEKS!

When have I ever said I support anything specifically except what has worked for me and others?

You've completely failed to address any of the points in my post.

 

[spatts]

spatts: I'm not saying it's "high volume" just highER volume than many can tolerate. Iron Addict followed it TO THE LETTER (and I know of few more experienced/knowledgable than he) and overtrained. He said many of the principles are great, and once he modified it to suit his recovery, he gained on every lift every week. He said the downside was his joints were torn up pretty bad, and that you need pretty robust joints to follow such a program.

Pop quiz: How often does a person follwing WSB "to the letter" complete a full ROM, 1RM lift?

What is the maximum number of lifts per workout advocated by the "incredible Louie" himself?

 

[Debaser]

When have I ever said I support anything specifically except what has worked for me and others?

You've completely failed to address any of the points in my post.

How many general philosophies of training are there? Okay, enlighten me, how do you train, since apparently it must not be any of the methods I've discussed. Anyway, if you can sum up all of my posts with that one sentence, that's fine. How many posts have you made that are nearing 500 replies and helping people to gain 2-3 pounds A WEEK? K. By the way, you didn't address any of my points, either.

You better fucking believe I'm going to knock volume training. Because it fucking sucks. I'm not pulling any punches here, it SUCKS. Sorry if this is somehow breaking news. I have a couple questions for you:

If you are not natural, when did you start juicing, what were your stats?

And if you are natural, what are your stats now and how many years did it take to reach those figures?

 

[spatts]

WE DON'T DO VOLUME TRAINING.

Fuck...I'm starting to think you're a troll, you're so dense. If I were DC I'd be embarrassed as hell to have you walking around representing me.

 

[Debaser]

Pop quiz: How often does a person follwing WSB "to the letter" complete a full ROM, 1RM lift?

What is the maximum number of lifts per workout advocated by the "incredible Louie" himself?

Well, I don't know much about Westside personally. Iron Addict has written about his experiences with it a few times, here is what he said on one of those occasions:

About a year and a half ago I embarked on a westside barbell schedule. I did it exactly as layed out by westside with a speed day for bench and squat and an ME day for each. I should have known it wouldn't work for me as I know I overtrain fairly easy, but had to know, so I tried it. I was stalemated after a little over a month. So I modified it and did my speed work and ME work on the same day, while reducing the volume on everything somewhat. It worked like a charm and I made AWESOME progress for about 5 months until my shoulders and elbows gave out. The ME work wasn't the culprit, the speed work absolutely ate my joints up. Since that time I have exchanged info with quite a few people that had the same thing occur. Big boned endomorps and meso's don't seem to be affected but those of us with smaller joints seem to get tore up pretty bad and quickly with it. Anyone else have the same thing occur. It's been about 6 months now since I went back to BB and my elbows are finally getting back to normal.

 

[b fold the truth]

I am having a vision...

If someone does not change their attitude, tone of voice, attacking members (especially with swear words directed directly at them)...then they will probably soon see themselves looking for another username...or another IP addy to post from.

Just a vision...

B True

 

[TheProject]

I am having a vision...

If someone does not change their attitude, tone of voice, attacking members (especially with swear words directed directly at them)...then they will probably soon see themselves looking for another username...or another IP addy to post from.

Just a vision...

B True

Exactly. Someone's trying to dogcrapp their way right off the board.

 

[spatts]

How often do I do a full rom 1 RM llift?

NEVER.

Why? IT'S HARD ON THE JOINTS...LEADS TO INJURY....LEADS TO OVERTRAINING. (light bulb)

Maximum number of lifts in a session 24. That's it...total....24. No more WSB high volume arguments from you, ok?

I wasn't trying to grow, but my small, tiny jointed frame put on about 20 natural pounds of muscle in 10 months training this way, and I went from a S/B/D of 285/45/0 to 385/270/430. I've been at this EXACTLY 10 months. Does it f**king matter? NO! Why? This thread is about how someone can increase his bench. You said how you would do it. B said how he would do it. JF can figure the rest out himself, based on WHAT WORKS.

You get more replies because you're confrontational, not because you're interesting or informed.

 

[Debaser]

How often do I do a full rom 1 RM llift?

NEVER.

Why? IT'S HARD ON THE JOINTS...LEADS TO INJURY....LEADS TO OVERTRAINING. (light bulb)

Maximum number of lifts in a session 24. That's it...total....24. No more WSB high volume arguments from you, ok?

I wasn't trying to grow, but my small, tiny jointed frame put on about 20 natural pounds of muscle in 10 months training this way, and I went from a S/B/D of 285/45/0 to 385/270/430. I've been at this EXACTLY 10 months. Does it f**king matter? NO! Why? This thread is about how someone can increase his bench. You said how you would do it. B said how he would do it. JF can figure the rest out himself, based on WHAT WORKS.

You get more replies because you're confrontational, not because you're interesting or informed.

IA said he followed it to the letter, who said he did the full ROM on the 1RMs? I understand where you are going but other things lead to overtraining, and he believed the speed work was responsible for the joint problems. I guess I could ask him but if he says he followed it correctly I believe him. Like I said he's one of the most knowledgable bros I know and has been in the game for decades, as well as helping many achieve goals they never thought possible (indirectly I'm one of those)

Spatts you misunderstand me, like I said I don't consider WSB high volume, just higher volume (as well as frequency) than what I promote for the average trainee, which is pretty easy to do if you saw the number of sets I prescribe for most people.