Anavar only cycle for vegan

[All In a Year]

IMO vegetarians and especially vegans have no business touching gear for any reason. If you want to be big or more successful in your fighting you should utilize the high energy calorie sources provided by animal fats and proteins; after all it was this capability that helped us evolve from apes 7 million years ago. The energy provided by animals allowed our brains to develop to the size they are now. If you're doing the veggie thing for health reasons you have no business with gear; you will negate such reasons. If you're doing it for ethical reasons, eat the organic farm raised stuff or fish. Embrace this ability that we've acquired over millions of years of evolutionary iterations to become the lost successful animal on this planet.

Exactly.

 

[jagi32]

just kidding i had to..

I'd like to see a more detailed food plan.. then we'll go from there..

most people will scream at you about an aas cycle without test is just you suppressing your testicles.. but i'll try to help you out..

thank you to everyone, for your feedback and advice.

Currently:

AM: flax seeds,pumpkin seeds and olive oil seeds and almonds (grinned) mixed and blended in with milk and oats alongside a high carb protein shake.

almonds i have throughout the day.

LUNCHTIME: pasta with soya mince with cottage cheese and greens or jacket potato with beans and cottage cheese and greens.

SNACK: bananas and high carb protein shake.

DINNER: Lentil soup with baked potatoes and salad.

BEFORE BED: low carb high protein- protein shake.

i have soya and tofu through the week when i have time to make it, but i restrict my soya as it tends to give me gyno if i consume too much of it.

some days i have veggy soya burgers, with baked chips and cottage cheese.

Thank you spywizard.

 

[jagi32]

At 22 and with your goals,,,you could probably reach those drug free. Take advaantage of your youth and use your natural hormone levels.

thank you for your advice. its just i train pretty hard but its come to a point where my gains have either come to a halt or they are slowing down. And its frustrating because you know you train hard.

 

[jagi32]

using var with MMA training is a double edged sword. the main issue you will be dealing with is pumps. you could possibly eliminate them with taurine but you will still feel heaviness in the muscles when you are working out. i literally after a workout cannot even put my hand on my chest from the incredible tightness and vascularity I get from var. the N2guard I take eliminates the pumps but my muscles have a noticeable fullness to them, its an awesome feeling for a lifter but a bad feeling if you are a runner or MMA fighter. keep this in mind.

if you still insist i would say keep the dosages at 40 or 50mg. keep the cycle under 6 weeks.. and run some hcgenerate for a couple weeks leading up to pct which can be a very light dose of clomid and a bottle of a natty test booster such as unleashed.

no you don't need test with any AAS, i stopped stacking my cycles with test and i'm much more pleased with my dry gains. but whether you stack test with a cycle or not you still need the proper ancillaries during and a good pct.

Thanks steve, i didnt know about the pumps you would get from anavar would restricted movement whilst working out. Ill keep that in mind.

i like the idea of 6 weeks.

what dosage of HCGenerate do you recommend and by how much shall i reduce the clomid dosage by, coming toward the end of the PCT.

Thank you

 

[jagi32]

How long have you been weight lifting and at what frequency and intensity? Can you post a picture jagi32? 22 is young tho. I think you'd be disappointed on med dosed var cycle? Say you've been lifting hard since you were 17 and could justify doing this cycle, I would say add a good amount of ph to it.


So in addition to the shakes, which you can't rely solely on, what are your high protien foods? Beans and Nuts is primary sources? Is dairy out like cottage cheese?

ive been lifting on and off since 16, but 3 years ago i started training more seriously and also switched from just muay thai to MMA.

I train weights from 3 to 4 days a week and MMA from 2 or 3 times a week. I Train at 5am most days for weights and go back to sleep by about 7/7:30.

Why would i be disappointed? I was hoping it would be the perfect aas to take for my kind of training and for my goals.

My diet consists of soya ( i try to limit this though as i think im prone to gyno), tofu, Lentils, mixed beans (kidney beans, chickpeas etc). I do eat cottage cheese and i drink milk ( but milk tends to bloat me so i also take with moderation). Almonds i have daily with a cup full grinned with flax seeds and a mixture of other seeds blended with milk.

Hope that gives some kind of understanding into my diet. Ive posted up my full diet plan on this thread.

 

[stevesmi]

IMO vegetarians and especially vegans have no business touching gear for any reason. If you want to be big or more successful in your fighting you should utilize the high energy calorie sources provided by animal fats and proteins; after all it was this capability that helped us evolve from apes 7 million years ago. The energy provided by animals allowed our brains to develop to the size they are now. If you're doing the veggie thing for health reasons you have no business with gear; you will negate such reasons. If you're doing it for ethical reasons, eat the organic farm raised stuff or fish. Embrace this ability that we've acquired over millions of years of evolutionary iterations to become the lost successful animal on this planet.

good post and I respect your opinion but I disagree and here is why:

black bears in the south are mostly vegetarians, so are gorilla's. (both eat very very little animal maybe some insects or larvae but they don't eat meat) and they are pretty damn muscular

you don't need to eat meat to grow muscle, I know cause I was a vegan for 2 years myself and i was built like a freight train. as long as you workout like a beast you will grow muscle even if you eat slop everyday. of course a great diet will aid greatly, but a vegan diet is actually better than the shit diets i see a lot of guys eating that make them overweight and fat. many men eat too much meat and they have huge bellies, so eating a lot of meat isn't gonna make you the hulk.

again i was one for 2 years so i have been there, done that. a lot of vegan hippie type guys you see around don't work out so yeah they are skinny, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be capable of growing muscle. complete myth.. its a fair stereotype because 99% of them don't workout, but it doesn't apply to all. I still to this day eat very little meat. i will have some grassfed beef, wild fish, and some baked chicken spread out over the course of the week... but I am far from a meat eater and I am carrying plenty of mass.

as for soy i would agree with you on that, its shit. its pretty much sugar in a different form (null of nutrition) and has no health benefits. and i agree the OP should swap that out and get some cage free eggs and eat SOME animal protein which is ethical instead of nasty soy..

i actually catch my own fish rather than buy from the store because of the environmental threats fishing boats pose to the oceans and other sealife. and i won't mess with farm raised fish that are fed who knows what. so I am in your boat OP, but you don't have to be so stringent.

 

[rich_89]

If you compete with other humans, you should not use anabolic steroids, it is cheating!

I use steroids and lift purely for my body image, you are doing it and you will give yourself a massive edge over your opponent.

Just saying. . .

 

[jagi32]

I dont compete bro, do it as a hobby. Otherwise yes, it is ethically cheating.

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[dye1337]

If you can have milk products you're not a vegan. Might get you some extra ladies saying you're a vegan, but you're not. You can get plenty of protein from milk sources even if it "bloats" you, but I'd take some bloat over gyno (soy)/no gains any day

 

[stevesmi]

I dont compete bro, do it as a hobby. Otherwise yes, it is ethically cheating.

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my view is if its a tested league and you bribe or manipulate your test somehow then you are cheating. however if its not a tested league then everyone else is using something to get a bit stronger, so i dont consider it cheating. but AAS will not make you into a MMA fighter, it takes a shitload of training, flexibility and skills. i could never do it myself, doesn't matter if i were to juice or not. i've never been in a fight in my life and wouldn't do what to do.