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Do fast food workers really need $15/hr to fug up my drive thru orders?

Just let me enter my own order on a touch screen and swipe a credit card. Then you can lower the cost of my #3 meal by $0.50 and we'll all be better off.

Who needs entry-level jobs anyway? If the libs are determined to grow the permanent underclass, let them.
 
The wages they makes directly reflect the skills they bring to the workforce. Stocking shelves and flipping burgers does not denote anything more than minimum wage. If anything its motivator to better ones self through education or a trade. Besides, where would it end? $15 today how much tomorrow? The gimme gimme society that has been created in this country is sickening.

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True story: Tonight I stopped by Publix to get my favorite -- a box of hot fried chicken parts. But my two 18 month olds and almost five year old eat both breasts out of my box. So being clever, I proceeded to buy two more breasts from the deli. The guy couldn't figure-out how to operate the touch register. After about two full minutes (literally), I pointed-out the buttons he needed to press. I even had to show him how to hit the "2" key, because it was going to print a sticker that only charged me for one had I not shown him.

Can someone please explain to me why he needs $15 per hour? We may be better off getting him on SSDI and giving him 60 hydros a month. That's where the system is headed anyway.
 
If somehow they did get the $15 per hour that they're demanding the retailers, food service industry, etc. would simply pass the expense back to the consumer essentially putting themselves out of business because, let's face it, the processed crap they peddle cost too much as it is.

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HudsonFalcon said:
If somehow they did get the $15 per hour that they're demanding the retailers, food service industry, etc. would simply pass the expense back to the consumer essentially putting themselves out of business because, let's face it, the processed crap they peddle cost too much as it is.

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java that economic principle wood be best explained accompanied by a youtube vid




miplank said:
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Bottom line is if the don't like what they're being paid they should be shown the door and lol at the idea of them being unionized.

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mrplunkey said:
True story: Tonight I stopped by Publix to get my favorite -- a box of hot fried chicken parts. But my two 18 month olds and almost five year old eat both breasts out of my box. So being clever, I proceeded to buy two more breasts from the deli. The guy couldn't figure-out how to operate the touch register. After about two full minutes (literally), I pointed-out the buttons he needed to press. I even had to show him how to hit the "2" key, because it was going to print a sticker that only charged me for one had I not shown him.

Can someone please explain to me why he needs $15 per hour? We may be better off getting him on SSDI and giving him 60 hydros a month. That's where the system is headed anyway.
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Fuuuuuuck, now I want some chicken

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I want to ask a serious question and bring up a point and I really don't want a debate or even political agendas, someone just explain it to me without bitching about liberals or democrats or republicans or anything.

Once upon a time, about 20+/- years ago, people would pretty much have a general idea of where they were headed after high school around age 16 or so. It kind of broke down like this: College, military, work, deadbeat. We're not gonna talk about the military kids or the deadbeats, just the college and work kids.

Kids who had the ambition, desire, drive, greed, whatever, usually started working for someone at minimum wage before they graduated high school or they would work minimum wage jobs because they could get shifts that accommodated their college schedule. The kids who didn't have the desire or intelligence to go onto college would get some time under their belt at the Golden Arches and then move onto other jobs in other industries where a degree wasn't required, you put your time in, you gained seniority, you moved up in pay scale, eventually had benefits, etc. and there are plenty of people who built cars or smelted iron or drove a forklift for their working life and lived happily as blue collar workers, raised a family, were content.

Now there's a big problem, there IS NOWHERE to go after Mickey D's anymore. There are no jobs for people who don't have a college degree. Shit, I can't even find a g'damned receptionist job that doesn't require a two year degree. All the manufacturing went overseas. There are no jobs to transition to from minimum wage work. These people picketing are not saying they don't want to work, something they're not saying (but is painfully obvious) is THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO WORK. They work full time, some of them more than full time, they aren't lazy. There is no place for them to transition to.

Blame unions, blame corporate taxes, blame liberals or whoever you want to, but the fact is, corporations can pay foreigners much, much less than minimum wage to do the exact same job they USED to pay a person a living wage to do. The 50s, the 60s, the 70s and 80s, people could make a living wage without a college degree. So what happened to all the blue collar jobs of Detroit, Pittsburgh, Reading, etc., etc., etc. WHAT THE HELL CHANGED? Yet corporate profits, and the salaries of the CEOs and those folks in the stratosphere of upper management, they all went up. That's a simple fact, not my prejudice, not my opinion. Jobs vanished and now we have a whole new class of people called the working poor, who are 30 and 40 years old doing the jobs that used to be done by high school seniors.

Help me to understand.
 
That's the thing, you don't want a political discussion, but it's the result of liberal politics.

That's liberalism in a nutshell, what you just described. In what used to be a functioning, independent private market, you now have millions of uneducated, unskilled adult workers who can't obtain a decent career to pay for things like healthcare and food to feed their families. They must then depend on someone else to provide their necessities, and who better than Uncle Sam, right?

So let's keep shoveling more fucking money so they can grow the government bigger so they can help manage those poor workers' financial needs. Yeah, those are the people we want to fiscally depend on, since they've proven themselves fully capable of handling funds, right?

So instead of telling these full grown adults to suck it the fuck up and eat ramen gotdam noodles if they have to while putting back a little cash at a time to pay to further their education, or relocate for a better career, or be able to retire someday, liberal politicians say 'fuck all that shit. We'll just print more money and give you more free shit so you don't have to do any struggling to better yourself, that would just be too hard. Stay where you are in life! Vote for us!'
 
musclemom said:
I want to ask a serious question and bring up a point and I really don't want a debate or even political agendas, someone just explain it to me without bitching about liberals or democrats or republicans or anything.

Once upon a time, about 20+/- years ago, people would pretty much have a general idea of where they were headed after high school around age 16 or so. It kind of broke down like this: College, military, work, deadbeat. We're not gonna talk about the military kids or the deadbeats, just the college and work kids.

Kids who had the ambition, desire, drive, greed, whatever, usually started working for someone at minimum wage before they graduated high school or they would work minimum wage jobs because they could get shifts that accommodated their college schedule. The kids who didn't have the desire or intelligence to go onto college would get some time under their belt at the Golden Arches and then move onto other jobs in other industries where a degree wasn't required, you put your time in, you gained seniority, you moved up in pay scale, eventually had benefits, etc. and there are plenty of people who built cars or smelted iron or drove a forklift for their working life and lived happily as blue collar workers, raised a family, were content.

Now there's a big problem, there IS NOWHERE to go after Mickey D's anymore. There are no jobs for people who don't have a college degree. Shit, I can't even find a g'damned receptionist job that doesn't require a two year degree. All the manufacturing went overseas. There are no jobs to transition to from minimum wage work. These people picketing are not saying they don't want to work, something they're not saying (but is painfully obvious) is THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO WORK. They work full time, some of them more than full time, they aren't lazy. There is no place for them to transition to.

Blame unions, blame corporate taxes, blame liberals or whoever you want to, but the fact is, corporations can pay foreigners much, much less than minimum wage to do the exact same job they USED to pay a person a living wage to do. The 50s, the 60s, the 70s and 80s, people could make a living wage without a college degree. So what happened to all the blue collar jobs of Detroit, Pittsburgh, Reading, etc., etc., etc. WHAT THE HELL CHANGED? Yet corporate profits, and the salaries of the CEOs and those folks in the stratosphere of upper management, they all went up. That's a simple fact, not my prejudice, not my opinion. Jobs vanished and now we have a whole new class of people called the working poor, who are 30 and 40 years old doing the jobs that used to be done by high school seniors.

Help me to understand.
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More and more government regulation? It's harder for businesses to turn a profit when costs are artificially high and you know what happens when businesses don't turn profits, right? They shut down, ship jobs overseas, or raise the price of their goods/services and jobs are lost or the cost of living is eventually increased, offsetting any increase in wages. People want more for no more production. It's the sense of entitlement. There's really nothing new to see. You still can't regulate the poor out of poverty. I would imagine this happens to every empire in history after periods of success.

Don't overthink it.
 
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bigbassturd said:
That's the thing, you don't want a political discussion, but it's the result of liberal politics.

That's liberalism in a nutshell, what you just described. In what used to be a functioning, independent private market, you now have millions of uneducated, unskilled adult workers who can't obtain a decent career to pay for things like healthcare and food to feed their families. They must then depend on someone else to provide their necessities, and who better than Uncle Sam, right?

So let's keep shoveling more fucking money so they can grow the government bigger so they can help manage those poor workers' financial needs. Yeah, those are the people we want to fiscally depend on, since they've proven themselves fully capable of handling funds, right?

So instead of telling these full grown adults to suck it the fuck up and eat ramen gotdam noodles if they have to while putting back a little cash at a time to pay to further their education, or relocate for a better career, or be able to retire someday, liberal politicians say 'fuck all that shit. We'll just print more money and give you more free shit so you don't have to do any struggling to better yourself, that would just be too hard. Stay where you are in life! Vote for us!'
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fuck, we're smart bro
 
People often blame the rich for being greedy but what is more greedy a wealthy person that has worked hard for his money and wants to keep it or a person who does the bare minimum and wants to take it? You're absolutely right that fast food is a dead end job but what's great about this country is you can forge your own path and be whatever you want.

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bigbassturd said:
That's the thing, you don't want a political discussion, but it's the result of liberal politics.

That's liberalism in a nutshell, what you just described. In what used to be a functioning, independent private market, you now have millions of uneducated, unskilled adult workers who can't obtain a decent career to pay for things like healthcare and food to feed their families. They must then depend on someone else to provide their necessities, and who better than Uncle Sam, right?

So let's keep shoveling more fucking money so they can grow the government bigger so they can help manage those poor workers' financial needs. Yeah, those are the people we want to fiscally depend on, since they've proven themselves fully capable of handling funds, right?

So instead of telling these full grown adults to suck it the fuck up and eat ramen gotdam noodles if they have to while putting back a little cash at a time to pay to further their education, or relocate for a better career, or be able to retire someday, liberal politicians say 'fuck all that shit. We'll just print more money and give you more free shit so you don't have to do any struggling to better yourself, that would just be too hard. Stay where you are in life! Vote for us!'
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How do you feel about corporations such as Walmart and McDonalds that encourage their employees to get on food stamps and medicaid because they pay such low wages their employees can't buy food and shit. The way I see it, they would rather the taxpayers take care of their employees. I do not know any small business that would encourage their employees to do something like that.
 
fast food isn't a dead end job. It probably is if you're a loser with no drive and comfortable with just the entry level position, but it's most certainly not a dead end job. People have the ability to work up the ladder in those jobs just like any other and make a decent living.
 
miplank said:
fast food isn't a dead end job. It probably is if you're a loser with no drive and comfortable with just the entry level position, but it's most certainly not a dead end job. People have the ability to work up the ladder in those jobs just like any other and make a decent living.
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Agreed. I was wrong in saying that all fast food jobs are dead end. You can move up the ladder with hard work and make a comfortable living. What I disagree with is people with no drive and ambition demanding wages well above their skill set. I think our culture has shifted from a " work hard and get it" attitude to a "whine until you get it" society.

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I don't eat fast food, but jesus fuck you have to be a retard to think it's sensible to pay someone 15-20 bucks an hour to show up, unpack a pre-made, pre-frozen meat patty, let it thaw, and then flip it on a hot surface a few times until it's brown.
 
cindylou said:
How do you feel about corporations such as Walmart and McDonalds that encourage their employees to get on food stamps and medicaid because they pay such low wages their employees can't buy food and shit. The way I see it, they would rather the taxpayers take care of their employees. I do not know any small business that would encourage their employees to do something like that.
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I don't know that all the blame should fall on the corporations, honestly. At some point, taxpayers (voters) need to stop putting people in power who serve as enablers. They pass laws and regulations like they're going out of style that allow big business to pay workers shit wages, because they know their employees have a safety net in the government. Everyone is to blame.

I've heard all sides of the argument, and my answer is simple: govmt needs to fuck off and get out of the private sector's business, private sector businesses need to take care of their employees and do a better job of both hiring people who want to progress and making professional progression within their company more readily available, and the employees need to have the personal responsiblity to live within their means.

Not everyone is dealt the same hand, that's fucking life. If you don't like your situation, make a change. I get sick of people bitching that they don't make enough money to be happy, but when you suggest they do something about it they have an excuse as to why they can't.

There are no jobs locally? Fucking move and find one. I moved 1700 miles when I was 18 for a job.

Can't pay for school? Bullshit. Get grants, loans, put money back slowly until you have enough, do whatever it takes. And for fuck's sake stop eating steak dinners every fucking night, cancel your cable service, get on a modest cell service, don't buy a car that the payments are so big you worry about paying them, and stop fucking smoking a pack a day.

Math is hard.
 
zwhit said:
pre-frozen? they froze it before they froze it? sounds complicated. maybe they do need a raise
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that shit is shipped to them frozen fucker. All they gotta do is thaw it out, grill that bish, put it on a piece of bread and stick it in a paper bag.
 
So if you raise minimum wage, then unskilled workers will make asmuch as skilled workers. What kind of sense does that make?
 
bigbassturd said:
I don't eat fast food, but jesus fuck you have to be a retard to think it's sensible to pay someone 15-20 bucks an hour to show up, unpack a pre-made, pre-frozen meat patty, let it thaw, and then flip it on a hot surface a few times until it's brown.
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So if you raise minimum wage, then unskilled workers will make asmuch as skilled workers. What kind of sense does that make?
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The entry salary for my job was $14, if back then I had been told that a McDonalds employee taking orders, salting fries, swirling a McFlurry or flipping burgers made $15 while I'm dealing with child safety, visiting families, transporting people and going to court... I would have choked a puppy.
 
When I go into In-N-Out, it's almost all kids working behind the counter. I assume the adults are manager types. I mean someone has to supervise those punks. But really though, the kids at In-N-Out are all pretty pleasant. They seem happy to be working there. Even the adults do too.

Carl's Jr., not so much. I love that goddamn teriyaki burger though.
 
nangiggles said:
The entry salary for my job was $14, if back then I had been told that a McDonalds employee taking orders, salting fries, swirling a McFlurry or flipping burgers made $15 while I'm dealing with child safety, visiting families, transporting people and going to court... I would have choked a puppy.
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oh it's coming. Buncha squeaky wheels up at Mac Donald's gonna get that grease.

Just means a rim job is gonna cost moar.
 
What about looking at this thing from an entirely different perspective. As has been pointed out, if the wage for fast food workers is raised, the products will cost more. I fail to see how that, in any way, is a bad thing. If people really can't live without fast food then they'll find a way to pony up the cash, IOW, get a better job, and that's good for the country. Or they'll stop eating the shit and lose weight. How is any of that bad?

Did you stop to think that raising the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be part of a solution to America's obesity problem? Seems to me it's right up there with how raising the tobacco price has reduced smoking, I don't see anyone bitching about that.
 
Smokers bitch. They find a way to keep paying those high prices though. And Fast food is addictive as well. Studies have shown that. So the fast food addicts will find a way to continue to pay when their McDouble goes up to $4.00.
 
ceo said:
When I go into In-N-Out, it's almost all kids working behind the counter. I assume the adults are manager types. I mean someone has to supervise those punks. But really though, the kids at In-N-Out are all pretty pleasant. They seem happy to be working there. Even the adults do too.

Carl's Jr., not so much. I love that goddamn teriyaki burger though.
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In-N-Out pays well. They start at something like the $14-15/hr range and have full benefits and 401K.

I knew a guy who quit his catering job and took a grill job there. He didn't say how much, but he told me it was a considerable raise and full benefits for his wife and kids.
 
Here's the solution to the obesity epidemic: stop eating deep fried bacon wrapped triple meat double cheese donut burgers with extra mayo and a 250 oz. dr pepper 4 times a day and then again at midnight when you're drunk off cheap beer you nasty fat motherfuckers.
 
bigbassturd said:
I don't know that all the blame should fall on the corporations, honestly. At some point, taxpayers (voters) need to stop putting people in power who serve as enablers. They pass laws and regulations like they're going out of style that allow big business to pay workers shit wages, because they know their employees have a safety net in the government. Everyone is to blame.

I've heard all sides of the argument, and my answer is simple: govmt needs to fuck off and get out of the private sector's business, private sector businesses need to take care of their employees and do a better job of both hiring people who want to progress and making professional progression within their company more readily available, and the employees need to have the personal responsiblity to live within their means.

Not everyone is dealt the same hand, that's fucking life. If you don't like your situation, make a change. I get sick of people bitching that they don't make enough money to be happy, but when you suggest they do something about it they have an excuse as to why they can't.

There are no jobs locally? Fucking move and find one. I moved 1700 miles when I was 18 for a job.

Can't pay for school? Bullshit. Get grants, loans, put money back slowly until you have enough, do whatever it takes. And for fuck's sake stop eating steak dinners every fucking night, cancel your cable service, get on a modest cell service, don't buy a car that the payments are so big you worry about paying them, and stop fucking smoking a pack a day.

Math is hard.
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Why can't I blame them for encouraging their employees to use the safety nets? McDonalds, eliminate your crap "employment". Get touch screens and robots to do the work. I hope Walmart replaces their shit jobs with robots too. Every single one. I think it is a great idea! I really do.
 
ceo said:
Smokers bitch. They find a way to keep paying those high prices though. And Fast food is addictive as well. Studies have shown that. So the fast food addicts will find a way to continue to pay when their McDouble goes up to $4.00.
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Agreed. Where does it end too? So management caves and gives GED Glenn his $15 per hour. Are they going to want $20 in a years time? You betcha.

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musclemom said:
What about looking at this thing from an entirely different perspective. As has been pointed out, if the wage for fast food workers is raised, the products will cost more. I fail to see how that, in any way, is a bad thing. If people really can't live without fast food then they'll find a way to pony up the cash, IOW, get a better job, and that's good for the country. Or they'll stop eating the shit and lose weight. How is any of that bad?

Did you stop to think that raising the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be part of a solution to America's obesity problem? Seems to me it's right up there with how raising the tobacco price has reduced smoking, I don't see anyone bitching about that.
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So you think the minimum wage should only be raised for fast food workers???
 
Those bitching about their low pay are going to price themselves right out of their jobs. $15 and hour expands the pool of workers available to work at a McDonalds or Walmart, increasing competition. Those fucking losers that are whining instead of working their asses off to be more marketable will be unemployed.
 
musclemom said:
What about looking at this thing from an entirely different perspective. As has been pointed out, if the wage for fast food workers is raised, the products will cost more. I fail to see how that, in any way, is a bad thing. If people really can't live without fast food then they'll find a way to pony up the cash, IOW, get a better job, and that's good for the country. Or they'll stop eating the shit and lose weight. How is any of that bad?

Did you stop to think that raising the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be part of a solution to America's obesity problem? Seems to me it's right up there with how raising the tobacco price has reduced smoking, I don't see anyone bitching about that.
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Raise minimum wage > Increase cost of living > Minimum wage earners bitch because they don't make enough > Raise minimum wage > Increase cost of living > Minimum wage earners bitch because they don't make enough > Raise minimum wage > Increase cost of living > Minimum wage earners bitch because they don't make enough > Raise minimum wage > Increase cost of living > Minimum wage earners bitch because they don't make enough > Raise minimum wage > Increase cost of living > Minimum wage earners bitch because they don't make enough >
 
$15/hour is a bit much for unskilled fast-food labor. I can see that being a necessity in places like NY or Los Angeles where cost of living is sky-high, but it'd be silly in Nebraska or Mississippi.
 
smurf2 said:
So you think the minimum wage should only be raised for fast food workers???
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Actually, you really want to know what I think? I think that anybody who is willing to work full time at a job, whatever that job may be, deserves to be able to make a living wage, not just the people with college diplomas. Not everyone is cut out for college, but we are creating a society where the majority of the middle class is being turned into the working poor. More people are on food stamps than ever. More people are working multiple part time jobs and still not making ends meet. Shit, the US postal service has the highest number of college degreed carriers in its history, if that doesn't tell you something, nothing will! If you look at hard statistics, not opinions by conservatives or repubs or even liberals, all signs point to the middle and lower middle classes being eliminated. That is very unhealthy. Simply put, once you account for inflation, people aren't making what they should or could.

I'm sick of hearing that people who don't work hard at school deserve what they get. If everyone gets a diploma we're going to have road crews and garbage men requiring them and how the hell are they going to pay off those loans?! I don't understand why we don't just sterilize people who are below a certain IQ and systematically euthanize the feeble minded and handicapped and be done with it. Let's just have a society of geniuses who all sit around telling each other how great it is to be brilliant and trying to figure out why the infrastructure is collapsing and where did all the plumbers and garbage men go? Oh, nevermind, we'll just give all the shit menial labor jobs to illegals for pennies on the dollar and there you go, the perfect society of haves and have nots.
 
PICK3 said:
NEA - 2011-2012 Average Starting Teacher Salaries by State

4 year degree school teachers in Montana = $12.85/hr (based on 40 hr week ... prob less per hour)


P'WNT!
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And yet the CEO of Federated Department Stores makes over $14 million a year. Let's see, who has a greater influence on youth and the future direction this country is going in, the person who teaches your child to read and write, the one who heavily influences their academic leanings ... or the guy who is in charge of one of the biggest retail conglomerates in the world.

Oh, that's right, the retail giant is more important because we need to get more people into the stores buying shit that's nearly 100% imported from frigging China and Japan.
 
Who fucking cares about $15/hr anyways? That's roughly $31K a year. Well below the poverty line around here and not nearly enough to live on.
 
musclemom said:
Actually, you really want to know what I think? I think that anybody who is willing to work full time at a job, whatever that job may be, deserves to be able to make a living wage,
I'm sick of hearing that people who don't work hard at school deserve what they get.
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I agree with this.

Even unskilled humans have value. If you don't have a machine to scoop fries into a bag then the value of that human should be enough to live and maintain the human that you are using as a resource.

These exploitative slimeballs are the losers here.

Like the threat of McDonalds or Walmart taking away just one or all of their jobs is really a threat, let them do it. So what. I cannot believe that anyone would agree with them basically subsidizing half their work force and call the employees the losers here. I hope they go out of business and no one is employed by them. I'd like that.
 
PICK3 said:
Ummmmmh


cuz u gonna need sum paperwork to work for a fast food corporation :confused:
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Laws are strict in my neck of the woods. The Mexicans around here are documented and work hard. But if I could work inside rather than a farm or lawn service for the same $$, I'd work inside.
 
Mad Jasper said:
Laws are strict in my neck of the woods. The Mexicans around here are documented and work hard. But if I could work inside rather than a farm or lawn service for the same $$, I'd work inside.
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yeah, butt you can't w/o paperwork so it's a non sequitur
 
MuscleMom, there are millions of people in the workforce who make a good living without having gone to college.
 
cindylou said:
I agree with this.

Even unskilled humans have value. If you don't have a machine to scoop fries into a bag then the value of that human should be enough to live and maintain the human that you are using as a resource.

These exploitative slimeballs are the losers here.

Like the threat of McDonalds or Walmart taking away just one or all of their jobs is really a threat, let them do it. So what. I cannot believe that anyone would agree with them basically subsidizing half their work force and call the employees the losers here. I hope they go out of business and no one is employed by them. I'd like that.
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Sure, they have value. Just a lot fucking less than the rest of us.
 
musclemom said:
What about looking at this thing from an entirely different perspective. As has been pointed out, if the wage for fast food workers is raised, the products will cost more. I fail to see how that, in any way, is a bad thing. If people really can't live without fast food then they'll find a way to pony up the cash, IOW, get a better job, and that's good for the country. Or they'll stop eating the shit and lose weight. How is any of that bad?

Did you stop to think that raising the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be part of a solution to America's obesity problem? Seems to me it's right up there with how raising the tobacco price has reduced smoking, I don't see anyone bitching about that.
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Raising the minimum wage for fast food workers is the ultimate irony.

How many big macs per year does the CEO of IBM eat? Probably not that many.

How many big macs does a young, educated, upwardly-mobile professional eat? Probably not that many.

How many big macs does a low-wage, trying-to-feed-the-family for cheap person buy? Probably quite a few. Fast food calories are cheap on a per-dollar basis.

So we raise the minimum wage on fast food workers, which in turn raises the cost of fast food (it's certainly not the shareholders who are going to make less, so someone has to pay). But the poor disproportionately buy fast food.

So it's a selective tax on the poor. Well done.
 
mrplunkey said:
Raising the minimum wage for fast food workers is the ultimate irony.

How many big macs per year does the CEO of IBM eat? Probably not that many.

How many big macs does a young, educated, upwardly-mobile professional eat? Probably not that many.

How many big macs does a low-wage, trying-to-feed-the-family for cheap person buy? Probably quite a few. Fast food calories are cheap on a per-dollar basis.

So we raise the minimum wage on fast food workers, which in turn raises the cost of fast food (it's certainly not the shareholders who are going to make less, so someone has to pay). But the poor disproportionately buy fast food.

So it's a selective tax on the poor. Well done.
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Butt if the price increase closes the $550/yr gap perhaps someone may drag something back to teh ghetto that has antioxidants and hasn't been deep fried


Eating Healthy vs. Unhealthy Will Cost You $550 More Per Year, Study Reveals


Less burden on BarryCare in long run = Win!
 
cindylou said:
I agree with this.

Even unskilled humans have value. If you don't have a machine to scoop fries into a bag then the value of that human should be enough to live and maintain the human that you are using as a resource.
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So even if that person works one day per week for a few hours, it's the employers' job to maintain them?

cindylou said:
These exploitative slimeballs are the losers here.

Like the threat of McDonalds or Walmart taking away just one or all of their jobs is really a threat, let them do it. So what. I cannot believe that anyone would agree with them basically subsidizing half their work force and call the employees the losers here. I hope they go out of business and no one is employed by them. I'd like that.
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You'd rather everyone lose their jobs than the corporate parent make money?
 
cindylou said:
I agree with this.

Even unskilled humans have value. If you don't have a machine to scoop fries into a bag then the value of that human should be enough to live and maintain the human that you are using as a resource.

These exploitative slimeballs are the losers here.

Like the threat of McDonalds or Walmart taking away just one or all of their jobs is really a threat, let them do it. So what. I cannot believe that anyone would agree with them basically subsidizing half their work force and call the employees the losers here. I hope they go out of business and no one is employed by them. I'd like that.
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Mitch needs to pay the ngrs that wash cars all day on his dad's car lot moar!
 
miplank said:
I pay very well, bitch.
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Do you have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do you have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do you have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
 
My father has been in business for 30 years incorporated for 26 and would never encourage his employees to turn to food stamps or medicaid.
 
cindylou said:
My father has been in business for 30 years incorporated for 26 and would never encourage his employees to turn to food stamps or medicaid.
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Do he have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do he have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do he have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
 
miplank said:
why?
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Because "pay" doesn't just represent the stated hourly rate.

"Pay" is a combination of an hourly rate, hours of work available, overtime policy, benefits packages and working conditions.

So back to the questions:

Do you have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do you have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do you have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
 
mrplunkey said:
Because "pay" doesn't just represent the stated hourly rate.

"Pay" is a combination of an hourly rate, hours of work available, overtime policy, benefits packages and working conditions.

So back to the questions:

Do you have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do you have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do you have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
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Or is ok to exploit teh "lesser" humans to pursue your ballin' lifestyle?
 
PICK3 said:
Do he have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do he have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do he have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
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yes

no full time employees that don't and it's kick ass coverage ;)

I'm sure there are some who opted out

almost no turnover

of course he doesn't have to hire many "unskilled" people
 
mrplunkey said:
Because "pay" doesn't just represent the stated hourly rate.

"Pay" is a combination of an hourly rate, hours of work available, overtime policy, benefits packages and working conditions.

So back to the questions:

Do you have any part time workers whatsoever?

Do you have any workers at all who aren't covered by your health plan?

Do you have any workers at all who don't have a reasonably-matched 401(k) plan?
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I answered this for him but I'll let him answer lol
 
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