actually...I like the wide variety of responses, gives me alot of options. I'm already doing the military presses at the end of my chest workout, mainly because my shoulders are worked anyhow after chest. I just do light sets and high reps, its' done alot for my shoulders, not much for my chest though. I'm beginning to think it's a time related thing. I also have trouble building traps, which I think, at least for me, will just take time.