Sust users: This is a Myth, right?

[Big Duke 3]

Very good points brought up in this thread.

I have done 2 cycles using sustanon and have grown pretty much equally in all muscle groups...except the muscle between my legs of course lol!.

Clinical studies and all that are important....and I am not here to dispute your intelligent arguments that you are putting forward.

As far as I am concerned I only care about the practical application and results to my physique from my 2 cycles and I can say that my legs grew as much as anything else. Thats why I agree with Ulter.

 

[majutsu]

Muscle growth from anabolics comes from the drug binding to the androgen receptor. That binding is what causes protein synthesis. If a body part has more androgen receptors, it will grow more than another part, when steroids are administered. All men have more androgen receptors in some specific areas; these areas are common to all men. Those areas will grow more with test.

This is the point ulter. Do you think this is true or not? That's the point. I want to know what you think.

 

[Ulter]

With exceptions yes I agree. I do agree with everything you posted about receptor distribution and I said that. If you mean "more with test" than without it, yes. If you mean "more with test" than any other AS then no I don't agree with that. I don't think test will grow a muscle better than NPP or parabolin for instance. As well maybe, but not better.

 

[majutsu]

With exceptions yes I agree. I do agree with everything you posted about receptor distribution and I said that. If you mean "more with test" than without it, yes. If you mean "more with test" than any other AS then no I don't agree with that. I don't think test will grow a muscle better than NPP or parabolin for instance. As well maybe, but not better.

We're in total agreement then I think. Thanks for a great thread! I learned a few things tightening my thought process on all this stuff. My words get a little flowery sometimes, and it's easy to misunderstand.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

i read what you posted majutsu, and its fairly logical. fair enough any deviation in growth pattern wouldnt be soleley attributable to the single "androgen receptor" that you commonly hear about on the boards, and as alluded to, will likely be due to the overlapping of various other anabolic substances or facilitators in the body. its quite interesting now that im thinking about it.

perhaps another important factor to consider, particularly in the geriatric population studied, is any difference in, say, posture and movement which would make their results from various drugs different from the results achieved by more active men. as funny as it seems, we are talking about a munch of men growing on a semi sedentiary workout regime.

anyway i think its far more likely that the no neck myth originated, as stated by several people in this thread, by the classic water retention that accompanies AAS use. the simultaneous increase in upper back fat and water (classically known as the 'buffalo hump") as well as increased trap, delt, and upper chest development, along with a general increase in skin thickness and double chin would more than explain it

cheers

 

[Ulter]

Yeah, thanks. It was fun. It gets old around here without some of these once in a while.
Thanks again.

 

[Redux]

Thanks for all the great responses, bros.

This winter cycle is going to be my third and it will be my first one including test. I got great results from my first one, (Deca/Dbol) and am getting good results from my current one so far, (Deca/Winny, with a Dbol Kick start), but I can't wait to run some test to see if the "test is best" theory holds true for me.

Preliminarly, Cycle 3 is looking like this.

Karachi sust250 week 1-10 @500mg/week
Boldabol week 1-15 @400mg/week
Dbol week 1-5 @30mg/day
Anavar (haven't settled on a dose yet) Looking to run it about 8 weeks, ending it 3 weeks after my last shot so PCT is timed right.

But I still have a lot of planning to do. I might run the EQ at a higher dose for a few weeks in the middle, as I am really not that crazy about the idea of being on for 18 weeks.

Also, I am really liking how the Winny is treating me, and considering the prices, I am wondering if anavar is really THAT MUCH better than winny.

In any event, thanks again, and Karma is headed out...

 

[Jenetic]

The expression of androgen receptors in human neck and limb muscles: effects of training and self-administration of androgenic-anabolic steroids.

Histochem Cell Biol • 2000 Jan;113(1):25-9

authors: Kadi F, Bonnerud P, Eriksson A, Thornell LE

Abstract

The purpose of this study was to investigate the immunohistochemical expression of androgen receptors (AR) in human vastus lateralis and trapezius muscles and to determine whether long-term strength training and self-administration of androgenic-anabolic steroids are accompanied by changes in AR content. Biopsy samples were taken from eight high-level power-lifters (P), nine high-level power-lifters who used anabolic steroids (PAS) and six untrained subjects (U). Myonuclei and AR were visualised in cross-sections stained with the monoclonal antibody against AR and 4',6-diamidino-2-phenylindole. The proportion of AR-containing myonuclei per fibre cross-section was higher in the trapezius than in the vastus lateralis (P<0.05). In the trapezius, the proportion of AR-containing myonuclei was higher in P compared to U and in PAS compared to both P and U (P<0. 05). On the contrary, in the vastus lateralis, there were no differences in AR content between the three groups. Myonuclear number in both muscles was higher in P compared to U and in PAS compared to both P and U (P<0.05). In conclusion, AR content differs greatly between human neck and limb muscles. Moreover, the regulation of AR-containing myonuclei following training and self-administration of androgenic-anabolic steroids is muscle dependent.

This is only to support the conclusion of this discussion by Ulter and Majutsu. This study does not show any differentiation of AR in the other muscles of the upper torso. Many people use this particular study to argue that the trapezius muscle contains more AR than other muscles. In fact, they are misinterperting the information presented here. The only mechanism or stimulus that a persons trapezius muscle would hypertrophy more than other muscles in the upper torso is due to his or her own genetic predispostion and exercise biomechanics.

Jenetic

 

[Ulter]

Thanks Jenetic, Now we know that steroids and training grow traps best (at least in these 9 men). Now if we had a study that showed test is better at this than any other steriod then we'd have to say that those guys at the gym had it all figured out correctly. We pretty much agreed last night that receptor distribution would determine what would grow better. I didn't know that traps had more receptors until then so I learned something. I still don't think this is uniform among all men since I have lots of friends with huge chests and no traps and men with shoulders a mile wide and no traps, and it's not for lack of trying. So like I said I think that's genetic.
The original question was about using "test" because it builds traps better. I still say that's ridiculous.

 

[Jenetic]

Ulter, I just edited my post. Please refer to my comments and excuse the confusion. As you can now see, it was meant to support your conclusion. LOL