pwo shake timing

[SouthernLord]

ive change them often. i just moved from a whole food pwo: 2 slices white bread, tuna no mayo, almonds. the white bread is crap for me. after 4 weeks i will not go back to that. i did like the tuna and almonds though. i felt very full muscle wise. after my current protocol i am going to try lean red meat and white potato.

i dont go over 50 grams carbs ever though.

currently (just started):
1 scoop whey
1 scoop casein
1/2 cup oats
5 grams fish oil


i have done the dex/whey - caused slight bloating and i could feel my blood sugar levels bottom out. i did the dex/oats/whey, dex/oats/whey/casein. the oats helped with my blood sugar levels but the combinations yielded similar results for me. wms i am not sold on at all. alot of internet hype on that. ive done research on it, too conflicting.

definately do what works for you. im just trying to see what different combos do.

For a while I had no carbs PWO. I was on the Anabolic Diet for close to a year and I did not eat over 30g of carbs a day with the exception of a weekly refeed. I would use only BCAA, Glutamine and creatine PWO. I have also used whole food PWO. So far the Waxy followed by whey has been the best for me. Zero bloat when the waxy is mixed with the proper amount of water, no crash, and recovery is great.

I have been doing a lot of research on different diets lately and I have been in the experimentation mood. I am seriously considering going back on a high protein, high fat, near zero carb diet, but allowing PWO carbs(waxy)and doing a refeed every 10 days. I was in the best condition of my life when on the AD and it was easy to stay lean and add considerable amounts of LBM.

 

[timtim]

For a while I had no carbs PWO. I was on the Anabolic Diet for close to a year and I did not eat over 30g of carbs a day with the exception of a weekly refeed. I would use only BCAA, Glutamine and creatine PWO. I have also used whole food PWO. So far the Waxy followed by whey has been the best for me. Zero bloat when the waxy is mixed with the proper amount of water, no crash, and recovery is great.

I have been doing a lot of research on different diets lately and I have been in the experimentation mood. I am seriously considering going back on a high protein, high fat, near zero carb diet, but allowing PWO carbs(waxy)and doing a refeed every 10 days. I was in the best condition of my life when on the AD and it was easy to stay lean and add considerable amounts of LBM.

im very similar. i dont do well with high levels of carbs. i carb cycle and have had great success. i have been focusing on trying to balance my omega ratios. i have fish oil for 3, safflower oil for 6, and olive oil/almonds for 9. doing very well with it. its all about trying new things and finding what works best for you. i am avoiding the high gi carbs as much as possible, i dont think sharp insulin spikes are healthy or necessary.

 

[Makavelli]

im sure you remember that guy swolecat, his no fats and carbs only pro/carb, pro/fat. i started talking about this with him a few years ago and he laughed his ass off. i can sum up what he said, do you really think the body is that simple and digestion happens so black and white? he then went off on the science end and i was again lost. a kid ive been training since 6th grade is now in college and decided to major in nutrition. he said it should be easy and he could make money. i told him to think again, nutrition is in depth and hardcore. its chemistry for the body. nothing simple and cut and dry about it.

Yeah, nutrition for me is more interesting than AAS. It's more complex too. Lots of variables to play with.

 

[justchilling212]

for best results you should take the protein and bcaa seperatley , due to absorbstion factors. I take the bcaa before work out and protein after.

 

[desmond]

If you consume ample carbs pre-workout, why do you need high GI carbs post workout?

E.g., suppose I consume I cup of oats; 2 glasses of milk; 30 grams of protein powder within 1 hour of working out. That's 60P; 80 low GI carbs.

presumably that is still going through my system when the workout finishes, so why would I need high GI carbs?

Just asking (currently I'm trying WMS)

 

[cobracock1979]

bacause the oats is low GI and will only create a minimal insulin spike over a prolonged period. WM creates a massive spike very quickly

 

[dabuffguy]

The theory behind the PWO high GI carb is th einsulin spike. Insulin is extremely anabolilc and shuttles nutrientes into your muscle cells far beyond any other thing.

Creating an insulin spike, followed by protein, theoretically provides the most instantaneous supply of anabolic nutrients to your muscle cells for immediate repair.


I usually go 45 grams WM followed after 10 minutes by 40 grams of protein, which is followed 20 minutes after by 1/2 cup of oatmeal(for sustained carb release 1/2 cup is about 30grams carbs, and 5g fiber).

30 minutes after this process(1 hour PWO), I have my dinner. Usually chicken, tureky or beef 10 oz or so, with green veggies and fruit, and a glass of milk (16oz).


I have been diong this for a while now, and it has been great for me. I am making great progress.


side note: Does anybody else have to piss like evry 15 minutes for the next couple hours PWO? freaking annoying.

 

[SouthernLord]

The theory behind the PWO high GI carb is th einsulin spike. Insulin is extremely anabolilc and shuttles nutrientes into your muscle cells far beyond any other thing.

Creating an insulin spike, followed by protein, theoretically provides the most instantaneous supply of anabolic nutrients to your muscle cells for immediate repair.


I usually go 45 grams WM followed after 10 minutes by 40 grams of protein, which is followed 20 minutes after by 1/2 cup of oatmeal(for sustained carb release 1/2 cup is about 30grams carbs, and 5g fiber).

30 minutes after this process(1 hour PWO), I have my dinner. Usually chicken, tureky or beef 10 oz or so, with green veggies and fruit, and a glass of milk (16oz).


I have been diong this for a while now, and it has been great for me. I am making great progress.


side note: Does anybody else have to piss like evry 15 minutes for the next couple hours PWO? freaking annoying.

+1

and yes I piss like crazy during and after my workouts. I do consume close to a gallon of fluids between pre/post work shakes and all the water while training.

 

[desmond]

timtim: fish oil PWO may be a bad idea. Its anti-inflammatory - may inhibit the weights response you desire.

 

[cobracock1979]

souther - whats the anabolic diet? I have been on a carb cycle before and a CKD...is it similar?