pwo shake timing

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

i think that the amount of carbs post wo are all in relation to your goals. someone in the offseason trying to gain size would take in 50 to 100 grams of carbs no problem. someone trying to stay ripped and lean say during pre conteset would obviously take in much less than that

 

[Makavelli]

my friend is a nutritionist. he did his undergrad and masters in it. dude knows all the tricks to bbing nutrition and is ridiculously jacked and shredded. he said the high pwo carb intake is not necessary. it actually causes spillover. his pwo meal looks nothing like anyone here would even fathom. it includes cottage cheese, whey, efas, almonds, and he varies the carb but it never comes to more than 40grams and its never a simple carb. youre wasting alot of money taking that much wms. it doesnt make the slightest difference in muscle gains, but it will keep fat on the body.

Not eating carbs will keep someone lean. However if one is trying to gain muscle and lose fat, eating high GI carbs, like dextrose, along with a low GI, like oatmeal, will do the trick. Yes most overdo it. I stick to around 60 grams of total carbs pwo. Some need more, some less, but I always have my clients do it.

 

[timtim]

Not eating carbs will keep someone lean. However if one is trying to gain muscle and lose fat, eating high GI carbs, like dextrose, along with a low GI, like oatmeal, will do the trick. Yes most overdo it. I stick to around 60 grams of total carbs pwo. Some need more, some less, but I always have my clients do it.

i used to do the same. its very complex the whole thing, much more so than ive ever seen when explained online. his views/diet are extremely different and he is actually able to continually gain mass while staying very lean, and his cycles are like swoles, no more than 500mg total, no more than 16 weeks a year, and never tren. his views on the high gi combined with low gi carb pwo are completely opposite of everything i have seen - the role of each carb is so affected by the other that it almost cancels out everything. its actually hard to accept after reading everything online.

i get confused when he tries and explain it but this is the guy putting cinnamon on stuff to blunt insulin release. the disagreements and arguments he would get online would be out of control. i dont understand all the mechanisms of action so for me to do it is impossible. the foods and combos are really polar opposite of what i have read for years.

 

[keasbey]

SL doesnt creatine dislike being in water for long periods of time? id think mixing it all up prework out then drinking half then lifting for an hour then drinking the last of it is to long for the creatine to be in liquids

 

[Makavelli]

i used to do the same. its very complex the whole thing, much more so than ive ever seen when explained online. his views/diet are extremely different and he is actually able to continually gain mass while staying very lean, and his cycles are like swoles, no more than 500mg total, no more than 16 weeks a year, and never tren. his views on the high gi combined with low gi carb pwo are completely opposite of everything i have seen - the role of each carb is so affected by the other that it almost cancels out everything. its actually hard to accept after reading everything online.

i get confused when he tries and explain it but this is the guy putting cinnamon on stuff to blunt insulin release. the disagreements and arguments he would get online would be out of control. i dont understand all the mechanisms of action so for me to do it is impossible. the foods and combos are really polar opposite of what i have read for years.

I've pretty much tried everything over the last 18 years. I know what works for me and for the majority of people. I've worked with hundred of athletes from all different sports. If it works for what he wants to do that's cool. I've always said I can't argue with results. It's important to live in the real world. A lot "Net Gurus" live in the "research world", never taking into account the years of people that have been in the trenches of gyms all over the world. In science nothing is absolute.

 

[timtim]

I've pretty much tried everything over the last 18 years. I know what works for me and for the majority of people. I've worked with hundred of athletes from all different sports. If it works for what he wants to do that's cool. I've always said I can't argue with results. It's important to live in the real world. A lot "Net Gurus" live in the "research world", never taking into account the years of people that have been in the trenches of gyms all over the world. In science nothing is absolute.

it was really eye opening at first. the stuff online is like the beginner level information. its like you said, you find what works. totally different viewpoint though. most people would flat out disagree because its opposite of what weve been spoon fed by the net people. i like listening to the reasoning behind it but i couldnt reproduce it, i dont have the understanding.

 

[Makavelli]

it was really eye opening at first. the stuff online is like the beginner level information. its like you said, you find what works. totally different viewpoint though. most people would flat out disagree because its opposite of what weve been spoon fed by the net people. i like listening to the reasoning behind it but i couldnt reproduce it, i dont have the understanding.

The "stuff" online is just that. It's mostly stuff that people heard from the net. Most of it is wrong or they completely messed it up when they pass it on to others. Most of the people that I help always start their emails with "I read on the internet...". I stop them right there and say "why do you think what's on the internet is true? Anyone can write or say anything. Being on the internet does not translate to validity".

 

[timtim]

The "stuff" online is just that. It's mostly stuff that people heard from the net. Most of it is wrong or they completely messed it up when they pass it on to others. Most of the people that I help always start their emails with "I read on the internet...". I stop them right there and say "why do you think what's on the internet is true? Anyone can write or say anything. Being on the internet does not translate to validity".

im sure you remember that guy swolecat, his no fats and carbs only pro/carb, pro/fat. i started talking about this with him a few years ago and he laughed his ass off. i can sum up what he said, do you really think the body is that simple and digestion happens so black and white? he then went off on the science end and i was again lost. a kid ive been training since 6th grade is now in college and decided to major in nutrition. he said it should be easy and he could make money. i told him to think again, nutrition is in depth and hardcore. its chemistry for the body. nothing simple and cut and dry about it.

 

[SouthernLord]

timtim, what is your PWO nutrition protocols?

 

[timtim]

timtim, what is your PWO nutrition protocols?

ive change them often. i just moved from a whole food pwo: 2 slices white bread, tuna no mayo, almonds. the white bread is crap for me. after 4 weeks i will not go back to that. i did like the tuna and almonds though. i felt very full muscle wise. after my current protocol i am going to try lean red meat and white potato.

i dont go over 50 grams carbs ever though.

currently (just started):
1 scoop whey
1 scoop casein
1/2 cup oats
5 grams fish oil


i have done the dex/whey - caused slight bloating and i could feel my blood sugar levels bottom out. i did the dex/oats/whey, dex/oats/whey/casein. the oats helped with my blood sugar levels but the combinations yielded similar results for me. wms i am not sold on at all. alot of internet hype on that. ive done research on it, too conflicting.

definately do what works for you. im just trying to see what different combos do.