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[Imnotdutch]

IRBD,

Actually yes it was necessary. Epithemeus is a smart guy and he does himself a dis-service by acting like a prick......as well as turning a thread that I was taking alot of interest in, into a dumbass argument that shoulda been on the chat board.

So was it necessary to post.......uuhhhhhh yes.

 

[epimetheus]

Last hijack, and a much more civil tone.

I guess I should appologize, yes what I said was out of hand, but I was, and still am pissed that he had to personally attack me. And yes, I take what he said as a personal attack. Carry on your "debate" I will go away now.

Sorry.

 

[spatts]

Perhaps, I am blind...where is the personal attack?

Also, he never addressed you until after you started with your sarcastic "Did a westside lifter runover your puppy" spiel.

I swear...am I on the women's board? Are men taking estrogen sups these days? Move on.

 

[epimetheus]

Ok, I have to admit my faults and failures here. When I first read this thread I had been running on 3 1/2 hours of sleep for the day and wore myself out some more with squats and deadlifts and such. Not an excuse really, but top that with some stupid assumptions, reading posts wrong, and, well, being me I guess, and you have an idiot that is misunderstanding something.

When I read it last night, It seemed to me he was calling me a stupid sheep, blah blah, the whole drill, for using WSB techiniques with the assylum.(not specifically me, but anybody that uses it) I did not re-read the thread this morning when I posted, so the misundestood, garbled from cronic brain malfunction from the night before caused me to wonder why I am the only one getting offended.

I just re-read the post, and I am a moron. Oh, the first sarcastic reply was because in my sleep deprived state I connected endpoint with a guy that was smacking on WS method users in another thread. ZZulu I think. Hence the Protests too much statement.

So I am a retard, not something I didn't know before.

 

[Cubanito17]

GUYS CHILL I just now read this post and saw the whole debate thing. WOW I thought I was bad and I'm a teen.

Endpoint I train westside now, but recently I did instead of DE bench a 10,5,2 split and it worked ok for me the first 3 weeks after that my weights for 5 and 2 started getting really hard to do. Before I knew of westside i had a program which hannibal is speaking of it's with percentages then you do a 10 8 6 for first 4 weeks or so then do down to 8 6 4 for the next 4 weeks at different percentages than for the last 4 weeks you do 6 4 2 and then it should be close to your max for the 4 rep or 2 rep depending on how much you progressed, ALTHOUGH the supp work for it was BB type benching stuff like chest, shoulders, back, some(very lil) tri.

 

[powerlifterjay]

Dam i just read this post too. Holy shit!

One thing that is for sure is that if someone questions anything westside here they get a nice flame! YOu guys take shit way to personally. Now i know i will get flamed for this but becasue the you die hard westsiders all train toegther up in mid west but west side aint the only way. Sorry but it aint. Now before you jump me realize this...the only day i dont do westside is speed bench day. I instead raw flat bench. But am looking to start speed for a bit and be 100% to try it. ONly reason i am is besause iam bored. I wanna try it. But each speed day i will hit a 90% raw max as well. Who know i may say screw it the first month. We'll see.

endpoint you do have every right to ask a question like you did. There is other ways and there is hybrids of westside. You do what fits you. You take out what you need and add what you need. Its simple.

epimetheus no offense bro but you havent even trained long enough to tell what works and what doesnt. You have never trained for strength in any other fashion. I got my bench to 600lbs in a ful power meet without westside. Freak19 my partner got 1950 total at 19yrs old with out it.

And i know from days past on here your partners are die hard westsiders and thats good. i am sure they make gains and will get you were you want. Because westside DOES work. But for ya'll to think "i tried stuff n the past and nothing works" We'll maybe it did but it wasnt as easy. Westside is quick and easy in and out. Ya it works but you got to admit its easier thensome others that you have to be real careful you dont over train.

You guys dont even compete. Yuo dont really know what it like warming up back stage with butterflies and nerves. Having to lift and not have enough food in ya cause your nervous. Not to offend ya'll up there but its true..its true. Let me ask you this? If n 3 yrs you aint benching 500 will you keep tryin? Or try new routine? How about 10 yrs?

Not to ramble on but you dont perform real raw lifts week after week , so would you feel comfortble in a meet with your current technique? Ya cant really answer till you get in one. There is no box. no boards. Follow me? I got around 30 meets under my belt, so i speak from experinec. I perform raw lifts in the gym weekely, and never get what i want in a meet. Why? Technique sometimes, or just nerves. But I cannot imagine speaking of powerlifting and flaming people who question westide with such conviction and having zero meet experince. Ya'lls opinion on it is important , because you do train that way, but do not say it is the only way. Because it aint. You dont hav eto train speed to be fast. I will bet you anything i have more speed then most here. Hell eveyones got it on 200lbs. I pushed 600 on the bench last week with a 3 sec pause. Can you imagine how much speed you must have for that?

You ever see Gary Frank compete live? I have. He aint slow.

Before you flame me remember this i trained my way, and i am 90% (all but speed bench day) westside now and am switch to it. So i do agree it works. But if you aint bencing or squatting ...well i wont say numbers you get my point, then you havent tried everything.

 

[endpoint]

Ok, I have to admit my faults and failures here. When I first read this thread I had been running on 3 1/2 hours of sleep for the day and wore myself out some more with squats and deadlifts and such. Not an excuse really, but top that with some stupid assumptions, reading posts wrong, and, well, being me I guess, and you have an idiot that is misunderstanding something.

When I read it last night, It seemed to me he was calling me a stupid sheep, blah blah, the whole drill, for using WSB techiniques with the assylum.(not specifically me, but anybody that uses it) I did not re-read the thread this morning when I posted, so the misundestood, garbled from cronic brain malfunction from the night before caused me to wonder why I am the only one getting offended.

I just re-read the post, and I am a moron. Oh, the first sarcastic reply was because in my sleep deprived state I connected endpoint with a guy that was smacking on WS method users in another thread. ZZulu I think. Hence the Protests too much statement.

So I am a retard, not something I didn't know before.

Its all good. you dont have to justify yourself.

 

[benchmonster]

Criminy,

this thread has really gotten off the original track. Endpoint, I believe, wanted to know how people who trained with methods other than Westside trained.

Spatterson has also let the board know she would like to know what people do other than the conjugate method. If any of you have a clue what she looks like and can turn down ANY requests she makes, then you are much stronger than I am.

I use the conjugate method, but I am familiar with other methods. I do what works best for me, and this is it. I use a lot of movements that have been shot down by fellow board members, people whom I respect, and I am not upset about this. I use movements that are not used in Ohio. I make up new shit all the time, and will continue to do so. It is not straight westside, but I have put 150 plus pounds on my bench in the last year. If I do the same thing in the next year, you will see me competing with Jay in WPO events.

Before last year, I basically trained using pyramids. I would do 135 for 10, 185 for 8, 205 for 6, 225 for 4, 250 for 2, then 3 sets of skull crushers, 3 sets of dips, and that was about it. I did similar type things for back and bi's, and shoulder's and legs. I tried to increase the weights by 5 pounds on at least one exercise per week. I had very limited success using these methods.

While this was the basic program I also tried HIT, Static Contraction Training, Power Factor Training, some shit I would read out of Flex, but when that stuff quit working, and my joints would hurt so bad, I felt like I could not move, then I would go back to the pyramids, and try and gradually move up the weights.

I don't know how others on the board train when not using the conjugate method, but hopefully this in some small way contributes to the original intent of the thread.

B.

 

[FREAK19]

I have also seen Garry Frank compete and at 370lbs he has more muscle on him then most powerlifters out there. He tried westside and he doesnt like it. He's always been a old school lifter, and thats the way im always gonna train. Im sure ill get flamed for not liking WSB. But thats ok cause everyone has there own opinion and PLJAY knows Im not afraid to give my opinion. Some of the worlds greatest powerlifters and pro benchers train or trained old school. It seems to me that WS lifters only break records at IPA meets, and bomb in other divisons hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why. Its just weird though i cant figure that one out yet.

Look, im not trying to piss any of you off. If I did im sorry. But even though I dont like westside, that doesnt mean im gonna tell my training partner not to do it because it sucks. Ive seen him make gains, I mean this SOB didnt pull in almost a year and he pulls 650 like butter. WS works for him and OS works for me. and thats that. cause im gonna stick with my Old School/Bodybuilding routine because I like it and it works for me. I just dont wanna hear people putting my way down.

 

[spatts]

I wouldn't say I'm die-hard Westside at all. I train using Westside structure, but I add alot of variation for my personal needs.

I don't train a method, I train me. If what I was doing wasn't working, I would surely do something different.