My bulking diet

[Joe Stenson]

Dude whatever a lot of people like 90% still ate way way more then maitenence and lost. Dude get a clue. Its called nutrient timing. Everyting isnt cals = cals. Im getting tired of you close minded ways. Go read a damn book. Stop arguing just to argue. Its getting old. Knowone ever seems to agree with you. Maybe thats why you have a little bomb by your name. I dont know I dont care I wish I could block ever post you write so I didnt waste time reading the garbage you make up and try to scientifically back with loose jargon and rederick. Im outy. Got a life besides here.

Where did you get that 90% from?

Everything is not cals = cals, but that's the most important thing. I'm not the one who is close-minded. I have been presenting views that differ from the "norm" on THIS board (let me assure you different boards do not share the same views), and people have been rejecting them without any evidence as to why I'm wrong. That's not me being close-minded.

I always provide an explanation for what I state. Look hard and you won't find any kind of explanation provided by yourself, or will b huge, or whoever on any of these subjects. It's all just "this is the way I've done it in the past, it worked, so it must be the best". No. Wrong. There are different ways to skin a cat. I can get ripped eating 6 meals a day or 3 or 10. I can gain muscle training each bodypart once/week or three times/week. So can you. Just because you've only tried certain approaches does not mean they are the ONLY approaches.

And what I like is to debate things because of exactly what I said above: there isn't one "right" way. This is how people learn. People do not learn anything from random statements backed up by nothing but personal experience and emotion.

And I'm not here to start arguments. I'm trying to help out. I'm not the one who gained a bunch of weight "because I ate late night carbs", that was you. And I'm trying to explain to you WHY you gained that weight to prevent it from happening again.

 

[van_wilder]

Dude whatever a lot of people like 90% still ate way way more then maitenence and lost. Dude get a clue. Its called nutrient timing. Everyting isnt cals = cals. Im getting tired of you close minded ways. Go read a damn book. Stop arguing just to argue. Its getting old. Knowone ever seems to agree with you. Maybe thats why you have a little bomb by your name. I dont know I dont care I wish I could block ever post you write so I didnt waste time reading the garbage you make up and try to scientifically back with loose jargon and rederick. Im outy. Got a life besides here.

I don't know if that was called for... but you're right in that I think nutrient timing is important... I don't think cutting carbs completely is the answer... and you're advocated macronutrient timing so at what time is it best to take in carbs? I say the timing of your physical activity is a more important factor in determining when to take in carbs rather than sticking by the clock.
VW

 

[Joe Stenson]

I say the timing of your physical activity is a more important factor in determining when to take in carbs rather than sticking by the clock.

Yes, I agree.

What makes carbs more useful to have in the morning if your activity is all in the evening?

 

[JKurz1]

Fact is this...we are overcomplicating everything. THere is only one way to know if it will work for you....TRY IT!!! I'm experimenting daily, that's where I've gained my knowledge......some things work, some dont. I tolerate carbs much better than fats. Thats just how I react. Before bed, I scarf peanuts and cottage cheese....it's my dessert. So, on the other hand, I tolerate fats better at night than other cals.....OR, maybe it's just that my cals are low enough during the day, that I can chow at night.....Plus, Itrain at night and also do cardio first in the am......oh well. After 5 pages of thread, can we agree that one just needs to give all angles a solid look.

 

[borg4902]

Personal experience is everything! Dude just think about it are you going to listen to the skinny kid at the gym about diet or the 230lb ripped beast. That is what the boards are about. Who cares what the scientific studys say, I want to know and value will be opinion because he is a f'ing monster just like I do King Whinny's. I dont care what any book post or study sais it all about the person writing it and if it worked for them or not. THats why I give my opinion the way I dobecause I know what works for me and what dosent. I know carbs make me fat. I know that for a fact! I have played with my diet and know my body. I know when to time carbs for the best energy releases and pumps. I give my opinion because as stated its what I do and its what works for me. I also post pics a lot. If people like what they see, they now know what my thoughts and recomendations are. Personally I want to look like King W all year round, so I am going to listen to him. I dont care if a billion books and study's disagree with what he does, because I can see the results with my own eyes. Plain and simple the point for me is the proof is in the pudding. So if you want to look like Needsize eat and train like him, if you wanna look like Jkurtz eat and train like him and so on and so forth. But for god sake stop flamming people for stating what works for them. Shit dude I dont know why it works, but it does. I could probably spat off some scientific crap from one of my college textbooks but im not going to.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Personal experience is everything! Dude just think about it are you going to listen to the skinny kid at the gym about diet or the 230lb ripped beast. That is what the boards are about. Who cares what the scientific studys say, I want to know and value will be opinion because he is a f'ing monster just like I do King Whinny's. I dont care what any book post or study sais it all about the person writing it and if it worked for them or not. THats why I give my opinion the way I dobecause I know what works for me and what dosent. I know carbs make me fat. I know that for a fact! I have played with my diet and know my body. I know when to time carbs for the best energy releases and pumps. I give my opinion because as stated its what I do and its what works for me. I also post pics a lot. If people like what they see, they now know what my thoughts and recomendations are. Personally I want to look like King W all year round, so I am going to listen to him. I dont care if a billion books and study's disagree with what he does, because I can see the results with my own eyes. Plain and simple the point for me is the proof is in the pudding. So if you want to look like Needsize eat and train like him, if you wanna look like Jkurtz eat and train like him and so on and so forth. But for god sake stop flamming people for stating what works for them. Shit dude I dont know why it works, but it does. I could probably spat off some scientific crap from one of my college textbooks but im not going to.

I think this was a pretty good post. I respect that different things work for different people and that's why I post some things that are counter to what lots of people on this board are doing. I think both you and I (and will b huge and a lot of other guys) are guilty of really pushing what works for us, instead of admitting that there are different paths to reach the same goal.

I just find it difficult to argue with science; someone can always say "well this worked for me so it must be ok", but it's hard to swallow if it's going against what logic and science are saying. I also think people are too stuck in their ways to try alternative routes out. Since I've come here, I've explained numerous times why one can have the same results eating 3 meals/day vs 6, but because 6 is what's been working for so many people why would they change? And I don't blame them. But it's not to say that what I'm saying is incorrect.

And one final point (the only thing I didn't like about your post above) regarding something I see way too much of on this board. The mentality that you have to "look the part" is wrong. I'm well aware that it's very tempting to fall into this trap, but it's wrong, period. There's so many factors that come into developing a great physique that go above and beyond training and nutritional knowledge that it is a complete fallacy to think that the skinny kid at the gym doesn't know as much as the 230lb ripped beast. I'm not saying that the skinny kid will always know more, or even usually know more, but he "could" know more...and it's probably more prevalent than you'd think. Just something to keep in mind.

 

[borg4902]

Oh dude in know way did I mean to come off like the skinny kid cant know more. Hell I am an exercise science major but none of my teacher are anywhere near built. All im saying is that definitally in the gym and really on a discussion board people listen to the people with the physiques they want for themselves.

 

[tryn2grow]

well after reading all of these posts i think i'm motivated to get my diet on point. no regrets though, i was a skinny kid and eating everything in sight got me some incredible gains and most of it was muscle, probably due to high metabolism. but i think its time to get to the next level, and eating right is the answer. Thanx for the motivation even if it was indirect. i was thinking.... hell if i'm 210+ with an ok bf% while i've been eating whatever i want basically, i could probably get bigger and leaner if i get a great diet together. i'm gonna do some research on exactly what i need to do, but i would appreciate it if any of u guys had suggestions. when i got into to this game i was told to just eat as much as i could all day and make sure it had protein in it, so thats what i did but its time to move on.

Thanx and suggestions would be helpful

i know what types of food i need to eat and always have eaten a lot of it like (tuna, steak, chicken, eggs, PB, wheat bread, oats, etc.) but i am not sure on how much to eat and at what time to eat it. I ussually just try to eat 6 times a day and have it include a good protein source.

 

[swordfish151]

Oh dude in know way did I mean to come off like the skinny kid cant know more. Hell I am an exercise science major but none of my teacher are anywhere near built. All im saying is that definitally in the gym and really on a discussion board people listen to the people with the physiques they want for themselves.

I think this is where you clashed with Kurz and Joe bro..that you just stated above that what your doing is working for YOU....that YOU will listen to the person that YOU want ot look like, because it is working for YOU...and thats cool..but i think that what they are tyring to say is that you cant push what works for YOU onto someone else because we are all different..so they have an idea..you have an idea..no one is wrong..are they wrong because what they are doing works for them...no..you clearly stated that your not wrong because what your doing works for you..so neither are they...either way...all 3 had alot of good information....

 

[borg4902]

Im not pushing anything. Read my posts I always say in my opinion.