Most overrated exercises.......

[SSAlexSS]

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SSAlexSS: Th reason most compound movement create such size increase if after CNS adaptation (coordination an such) which creates strength, which you are right on, is there is a a cooreltaion with muscle size and strength, IN AN INDIVIDUAL. now this is a very tricky concept, I know it took many years to understand. After you gain coordination, your body starts to grow by increasing myosin and actin, at a greater rate then before coordination. now the important thing is compound movement will tax your muscle greater than a isolated movement becasue of the greater amount of stress place on the muscle, since this is weight related. By taxing your muscle more, your body will grow mre in response to the greater amount of microtears in the fibers of the muscle. This will also cause a release of GH and test. So Higher weight= more tears when training intensly= more growth. But much of this is due to positive failure, because in this state the myosin head and actin are almost fully contracted and are sustaining microtears due to the insufficent ATP in the muscle. Since ATP is depletd faster in compund movement because of the greater demand muscle suffer more stress easier...

Lord_Sustanon. First, let me congratulate you on your intelligent post. You truly are more knowledgebale than some people on here. Big congrats.


However I see a small hole in your logic (after cns adaptation, muscle will have to adapt).

Most people never reach their true strength potential. Also MANY people have enough strenth to lift cars (even women), they just dont know how to use it. So by trying to exhaust your strength pathway, lets just say its a long road. And 225 bench surely isnt that much. (most people cant even get that much up. who cares about 400+. )

And you can get very strong (in 1-5) rep range yet dont be big.
Seen Pavel Tsaotsaline? He is like 180 at most and he deadlifts 600 pounds. Now, that is on a pro level. 600 pounds might be easy for you to lift when you weight 250+, but at 180.... He does heavy compound movements going for strenth. Does he grow bigger and bigger muscles? no!

True, when a person is doing 400 pound bench, it DOES do a lot for him in terms of size/strength. But really, how much of us gonna get there? And how much time it would need us to get there to start expereincing quickest possible growth????

Muscle damage -
Yes weight damages muscle, so does the reps that you do. There isnt one way to damage your muscle! You can damage your muscle through lots of sets with lots of reps and little rest time.

Some more about isolation -
Many isolation exercises (pecdeck is prime example) lets you damage your targer muscle (chest) to a greater degree. Why?
Your bench fails because you weaker link (arms shoulders) fail. Chest is much stronger, more fibrous, and thus it becomes underworked while your arms get overworked. See? not that good. In pecdeck you fail WHEN you chest fails.

anyways. good reply you posted! People use him as an example of what an intelligent poster should be like!

 

[ZZuluZ]

Alex, strength is NOT SOLELY NEUROLOGICAL. That is truly a dumb comment.

Cross sectional area is directly proportional to strength in many cases. Bodybuilders aren't weak and they don't train AT ALL in a neural potentiating system.

THe problem with Alex is that he reads ONE tidbit of information and immediately thinks he's a genius who can debunk what experts in the field have known for years.

Alex, you are an idiot. You are. You can reply with 'you're a big meanie who only insults people' but the fact is NOBODY here agrees with anything you post.

-Zulu

 

[MaCPiMP1n]

Alex, strength is NOT SOLELY NEUROLOGICAL. That is truly a dumb comment.

Cross sectional area is directly proportional to strength in many cases. Bodybuilders aren't weak and they don't train AT ALL in a neural potentiating system.

THe problem with Alex is that he reads ONE tidbit of information and immediately thinks he's a genius who can debunk what experts in the field have known for years.

Alex, you are an idiot. You are. You can reply with 'you're a big meanie who only insults people' but the fact is NOBODY here agrees with anything you post.

-Zulu

AMEN!

 

[b fold the truth]

SSAlexSS: Show me that you have a solid muscle in your body and I will listen to you. Guys...just let him post his silly comments...we can all figure that he is a troll I do believe. We can not convince him and he can not convince us...so just let him go about his business and ignore him...that way we don't stray too far from the given post that Cornholio posted.

I think that nearly ever exercise that I have ever done (and in any rep/set fashion) has produced some sort of positve result for me...at least for a very short period of time.

Overrated Exercises:
Any kind of machine
Crunches
Anything that says you MUST do reps for size


I really feel that as long as you keep good form on your exercises and change frequently...EVERY exercise will produce some sort of positive result.

B True

 

[Lord_Suston]

Alex I found one major flaw in your argument, Most powerlifters train for coordination and technique on their events. But when they train it is often not untill failure. For some reason training to failure provides dramatic size gains versus strength training. This is why many BB are often bigger than powerlifters who lift the same MAX weight.Now the mechanism for growth is unclear but going to failure is one major factor. Now that that is out of the way, we can see the ratio of muscles used in compund excercises is much greater than isolated excercises. While performing compound movements more muscle are brought to failure, an important part is when one muscle reaches failure the other ones take up the extra tension untill they reach failure, if the movement allows this. Some don't like bench were your movement is locked in and muscle are used in a certain pattern. Now this growth factor includes the hormones released by taxing muscles, and we cannot dispute the correlation with muscle group size and hormone released. All this needs to take into account you are training to Failure, this by no means degrades isolation movements, they have their place in fine toning and training when injured, but compound bring more size. About the russian powerlifter, see if he trains to failure, he could be a genetic freak. and the example of people lifting cars is good, but that has to do with the overiding of the golgi spindles in the ends of the muscle fiber due to adrenaline surge...

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex, strength is NOT SOLELY NEUROLOGICAL. That is truly a dumb comment.

Cross sectional area is directly proportional to strength in many cases. Bodybuilders aren't weak and they don't train AT ALL in a neural potentiating system.

THe problem with Alex is that he reads ONE tidbit of information and immediately thinks he's a genius who can debunk what experts in the field have known for years.

Alex, you are an idiot. You are. You can reply with 'you're a big meanie who only insults people' but the fact is NOBODY here agrees with anything you post.

-Zulu

Explain then how little women lift CARS to get their trapped children in there?
Obviously women arent as big as Ronster COleman!

There is no technique there that like clean and jerk gonna jerk it up. Just pure strength baby..

 

[Screwball]

Compound vs. Isolation

Compound Movements = Size & Strength

If I could only pick one exercise to train with, it would be the Squat.

If I could pick two exercises for training, they would be the Squat and Flat Bench Press.

If I could pick three exercises for training, they would be the Squat, Flat Bench Press and Deadlift.

If I could pick four exercises for training, they would be the Squat, Flat Bench Press, Deadlift and Clean & Jerk.

That's it! With only a few exceptions every other movement is a variation of the above mentioned movements (i.e. accessory movements). If you want size and strength then stick to the basic, compound movements and train with intensity.

- Screwball

 

[ZZuluZ]

You motherfucking flatulent cunt.....

Women who lift cars have TONS of ADRENALINE flowing through their veins.

I feel like I`m talking to a baboon here.

-Zulu

 

[Wizzyman]

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Let me elaborate.

People keep telling how you have to do squat/dead/bench, isolation (pec deck flys etc) dont work they say.

Well exercises have NOTHING to do with growth. They just determine which muscles get worked.

Furthermore, big compound movements are good for strength. But they dont make a certain bodypart grow bigger than an isolation exercise for it.

IF you know how to do stuff you can get lots of mass with isolation movements, sometimes even more than with compound movements. Because compound movements sometimes have a big tendency to involve other parts, thus less direct stimulation to the target muscle (chest, lower back, quads etc).


So in that way compound are being overrated (for mass).

Heavy compounds will make your body secrete more GH and Test than isolations. You really dont like working hard, do you?

 

[Wizzyman]

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Since I am so stupid.

Why are you even worse? Just because your primitive punk ass brain doesnt get what I have said, you like a animal resort to violence.


Show your brains and post an intellegent reply to that. I doubt it judging from your reply, but I hope that you can!

Here's an intellegent response: E=MC2

You're still a cock