Most overrated exercises.......

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Let me elaborate.

People keep telling how you have to do squat/dead/bench, isolation (pec deck flys etc) dont work they say.

Well exercises have NOTHING to do with growth. They just determine which muscles get worked.

Furthermore, big compound movements are good for strength. But they dont make a certain bodypart grow bigger than an isolation exercise for it.

IF you know how to do stuff you can get lots of mass with isolation movements, sometimes even more than with compound movements. Because compound movements sometimes have a big tendency to involve other parts, thus less direct stimulation to the target muscle (chest, lower back, quads etc).


So in that way compound are being overrated (for mass).

You really are the STUPIDEST motherfucker on this board when it comes to training. I really hope any newbie out there does not heed your ridiculous advice. Good luck getting huge with all those lateral raises and kickbacks, I'll stick to my deads, squats, cleans and bench.

 

[SSAlexSS]

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You're an idiot. Stop posting this drivel.

Great. You called yourself an idiot.

You didnt understood the new concept *gasp* .


If I am an idiot, than post a reply that isnt idiotic. Obviously you cant, so you resort to name calling like a little baby!


Express your thoughts. What was idiotic in my post? DOnt like my theories? debunk them!

compound exercises are great for strength! But not nessesary for mass. Strenth increase DOES NOT mean size increase, because strenth is NEUROLOGICAL. Size is muscular hypertrophy. Stress on a muscle rather on your nervous system.

 

[SSAlexSS]

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You really are the STUPIDEST motherfucker on this board when it comes to training. I really hope any newbie out there does not heed your ridiculous advice. Good luck getting huge with all those lateral raises and kickbacks, I'll stick to my deads, squats, cleans and bench.

Since I am so stupid.

Why are you even worse? Just because your primitive punk ass brain doesnt get what I have said, you like a animal resort to violence.


Show your brains and post an intellegent reply to that. I doubt it judging from your reply, but I hope that you can!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Well exercises have NOTHING to do with growth. They just determine which muscles get worked.

How ignorant could one person allowed to be?

Muscles alone?

So forget about GH and test release by the big compound movements, strengthing multiple joints and ligaments at the same time.

It has been proved by russian scientists that squatting can add up to 15% extra mass on the arms.

20 rep squats that is.

But VOLUME not strength is responcible for hormonal changes. And that builds muscle. 8+ reps.

You could do heavy squats, heavy deads, heavy benches yet dont be that big? Why? You are training you nervous system and joints. To train for muscle size, THAT MUSCLE NEEDS TO BE WORKED. Not almost you entire body as a whole.


You can get bigger biceps by doing curls? HOw>?
pick a medium weight. Try to do as much reps as possible in a set time, liek 5 minutes. Next day use the same weight and get more reps in the same time frame. When your total reps get to 150 , add weight. Repeat the cycle.

Your hormones WILL increase with that, and you DO have muscle specific stress. Means more bicep growth than with squats, becayse you are training your arms, not your quads!

 

[aurelius]

Personally, it places too much stress on my shoulders and wrists. I get much more chest involvement from incline barbell presses, and flat and incline dumbell presses.

You may have a flaw in your technique.

JAVAGURU, you´re right on about machines.

 

[Lord_Suston]

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Express your thoughts. What was idiotic in my post? DOnt like my theories? debunk them!
compound exercises are great for strength! But not nessesary for mass. Strenth increase DOES NOT mean size increase, because strenth is NEUROLOGICAL. Size is muscular hypertrophy. Stress on a muscle rather on your nervous system.

SSAlexSS: Th reason most compound movement create such size increase if after CNS adaptation (coordination an such) which creates strength, which you are right on, is there is a a cooreltaion with muscle size and strength, IN AN INDIVIDUAL. now this is a very tricky concept, I know it took many years to understand. After you gain coordination, your body starts to grow by increasing myosin and actin, at a greater rate then before coordination. now the important thing is compound movement will tax your muscle greater than a isolated movement becasue of the greater amount of stress place on the muscle, since this is weight related. By taxing your muscle more, your body will grow mre in response to the greater amount of microtears in the fibers of the muscle. This will also cause a release of GH and test. So Higher weight= more tears when training intensly= more growth. But much of this is due to positive failure, because in this state the myosin head and actin are almost fully contracted and are sustaining microtears due to the insufficent ATP in the muscle.

 

[Lord_Suston]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Most overrated exercises.......

Express your thoughts. What was idiotic in my post? DOnt like my theories? debunk them!
compound exercises are great for strength! But not nessesary for mass. Strenth increase DOES NOT mean size increase, because strenth is NEUROLOGICAL. Size is muscular hypertrophy. Stress on a muscle rather on your nervous system.

SSAlexSS: Th reason most compound movement create such size increase if after CNS adaptation (coordination an such) which creates strength, which you are right on, is there is a a cooreltaion with muscle size and strength, IN AN INDIVIDUAL. now this is a very tricky concept, I know it took many years to understand. After you gain coordination, your body starts to grow by increasing myosin and actin, at a greater rate then before coordination. now the important thing is compound movement will tax your muscle greater than a isolated movement becasue of the greater amount of stress place on the muscle, since this is weight related. By taxing your muscle more, your body will grow mre in response to the greater amount of microtears in the fibers of the muscle. This will also cause a release of GH and test. So Higher weight= more tears when training intensly= more growth. But much of this is due to positive failure, because in this state the myosin head and actin are almost fully contracted and are sustaining microtears due to the insufficent ATP in the muscle. Since ATP is depletd faster in compund movement because of the greater demand muscle suffer more stress easier...

 

[XAX]

*sigh*

20 rep squats that is.

Nope, squatting in generel

But VOLUME not strength is responcible for hormonal changes. And that builds muscle. 8+ reps

Uh yeah, lets do 10x60 reps - that would build a shitload a muscle acording to your theory.

Number of reps alone means nothing. To stimulate maximum muscle degradation - the hypertrophy response, consider time under tension instead.

You think a muscle cannot grow alone, unless it has been worked directly? Wrong again.

The amount of muscles worked at the same time affect the realease of hormones. More muscles = more hormones.

Your view on squat and which muscles it affects, shows your limited knowledge on exercise theory. Squats affects more than just your quads.

Instead of wasting our time and your own, read some serious training literature like "Supertraining" by Mel C. Siff.

 

[Haz]

I blew out my wrists a couple of months ago when I was doing inclines without a spotter. I got the weight stuck on my chest, and it was late at night and I was the only dude in the weight room. So I had to do a 205 lb upright row, while seated to get the damn bar off my lap.

That screwed up my wrists pretty bad. Thats why I still have trouble on any type of straight bar exercise (especially underhand ones).

I'm not saying the bench press is bad. However, I haven't been doing it for 2-3 months now, and I'm still seeing good improvements in my chest. Thats why I say its over-rated. You can still build a great chest without it. Plus I swear i feel my chest more when I do dumbells. You can really squeeze at the top of the movement, and you get an awesome stretch at the bottom.

 

[CytoMel]

One of the best upper body exercise is the flat barbell bench presses. It is not overrated People who ench in the 100's or 200's might think it is overrated. But big benchers in the 400's and up know about it's importance because it is a competitive measure of strength (bench press contest).

Dips are bullshit. They can stress out your shoulders easily and the ones called "bench dips" are the worst!! Just check out someone's shoulders rotated backwards during this! Its a shoulder killer!