I Want To Get Bigger - Naturally!

[MonStar1023]

death on the field bro I was saying that you CAN get by training 4x per week or even 5x. I was arguing that with SSAlexSS whos recommending training 2x per week. Thats not enough in my opinion. I know everyone is different any everything like that but twice a week???

 

[SSAlexSS]

death on the field bro I was saying that you CAN get by training 4x per week or even 5x. I was arguing that with SSAlexSS whos recommending training 2x per week. Thats not enough in my opinion. I know everyone is different any everything like that but twice a week???

Well I am doing bodybuilding. And I love results! If you love working out just for sake of it, then just do it!

I am bodybuilding the sane style!

 

[death on the field]

2x a week is too little 3x a week can be done, in fact right before camp and during season we go 3x a week. as long as they r compund exercises u can make great gains. in fact my strength went thru the roof in those 10 weeks

 

[MonStar1023]

I definitely didnt say anything about 3x a week not working... sorry for any confusion bro. My fault.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS...
Not to start a debate but I COMPLETELY disagree with what you have said. You honestly dont seem to have any reasoning behind what you have said:
"You will NOT GET BIGGER by training more. 4 times per week is a bit extreme for naturals. Just because all the big boys train 4-4+ times per week IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD TRAIN LIKE THEM. It is funny how people try to have the same workouts like the pros do yet don't take steroids and aren't such genetically gifted like the pros."
No one ever said that you would get bigger by training more. A routine of 4x per week is NOT extreme or excessive. Between 3-4x per week is a good amount of training and its not by any means excessive in my opinion.

"Infact some of todays guys are SO LUCKY and take SO MUCH STEROIDS that ANY routine will work for them. However I don't think that you are one of them. Just because latest Mr O is doing 4x times per week does not mean that you should be working out 4x week."
The latest Mr. O trains 6 DAYS per week NOT 4. So just understand that a natural CAN get by with 4x per week. As much as you think you have to inject all kinds of steroids to train more than 3x per week.

"Also, FORGET ABOUT SUPPLEMENTS! Suplements can not make a poor program work! Do not listen to Grizzly. What works for him WILL NOT WOKR FOR YOU. And I do not even think that his routines works so good for him either."
Bullshit forget about supplements. What you mean to say is that supplements cannot take the place of a sound diet or a solid training program. Supplements do have their place. They SUPPLEMENT your diet. They can HELP you achieve your goals. Supplements are not magic pills that completely change your entire body but they do help. How the hell would you know what would work for someone else? How do you know Grizzly's routine doesnt work wonders for him? I dont think its cool to try and tell someone else what their routine does for them bro.

Corsaire...
Everyone is different bro. I can understand what your saying about a woman looking feminine. But bare in mind that not every single woman wants the same thing. I also wouldnt argue that NO man would look at a woman whos big and muscular. Personally, it doesnt appeal to me, but there are definitely guys out there that it appeals to. And a lot of guys would rather be skinny and scrawny than big and buff. Everyone's different bro.

4 times per week is excessive for SIZE GAINS for most people. Only RAREST people can workout so much with sucess. Chances are that 4 times per week is too much.

In bodybuilding LESS IS MORE. We are not strength athletes, we are hypertrophy athletes. For hypertrophy you need recovery! What is the point in working out so much that you don't give your muscles enough time to recover?

As you grow stronger and bigger your recivery ability does not goes up as your ability to damage muscles through hard poundages.

"natural can get big by working out 4x"
Fat maybe. But not muscular big unless you have extraordinary genetics and circumstances (16 hours of sleep and crapload of steroids. Yeh, mild ones. A bit of deca, anavar and clenbuterol. Not real steroids like testerone and anadrol. so you are still natural.

"Bullshit forget about supplements. What you mean to say is that supplements cannot take the place of a sound diet or a solid training program. Supplements do have their place. They SUPPLEMENT your diet. They can HELP you achieve your goals."

True, suplements work, at eating your money. And with good program they can work. BUT, if that program ain't 4x time per week ********************!

Grizzly's routine might work for him (or atleast he thinks so). But he shouldn't force people to use HIS INSANE routine! Working out so much per week might not bring the most muscle to you and you ghet disappointed. And then you resort to steroids and well, ruin yourself.

Let me tell you. One guy decided to start to bodybuild, hopefully I wasn't his role model. Well he visited me working out in my school gym and call me crazy. I was working out 2 times per week doing basic compound moves and killing myself. He kept saying "you onbly do big compound movements". ":2 times per week? BAH! I do more!"

he is very determined. He eats every 2 hours, bring s his tuna to math class - etc. He even has a log of what he has eaten that day. I don't have that.

Guess what ? While I am muscular and gaining muscle he is still chubby and it looks like he has never lifted weight in his life.

He started wondering about 'supplements" like creatine. CHILL OFF! You don't look like you have gained anything in your couple month of training. I gained like 20 pounds of muscle. I couldnt see that on him.

So you see parallel here? Working out a lot + Suplements = TROUBLE!

I don't like that guy in particular. But I feel sorry for him. And I feel sorry for Super Girl 22. We will end it on here............................................

 

[MonStar1023]

SSAlexSS..
Honestly bro I have better things to talk about on this board than to talk about why 3-4x a week is okay for a natural and you dont have to load up with steroids to train more than 2x per week. I think YOU happen to be the different one bro NOT everyone else. Most people can train 3-4x per week right from the start with compound exercises and make GREAT gains. I have never in my life before heard of someone training 2x per week. Even the strongest HIT advocates train more than that.

The phrase less is more in bodybuilding refers to training less than a crazy amount of volume etc. Why dont you just train one time per week, and do one set of one exercise per bodypart, with one rep? Then youll be following the saying less is more and youll look like a real ass in the same way that you do now.

"'natural can get big by working out 4x' Fat maybe. But not muscular big unless you have extraordinary genetics and circumstances (16 hours of sleep and crapload of steroids. Yeh, mild ones. A bit of deca, anavar and clenbuterol. Not real steroids like testerone and anadrol. so you are still natural."
So basically here you're saying that by working out 4x per week youll get fat?? How the hell can you come to that conclusion. Anyone that works out more than your ridiculous 2x and is not pumping steroids per week will get fat. Definitely not bro.

"True, suplements work, at eating your money. And with good program they can work. BUT, if that program ain't 4x time per week ********************!"
Supplements work at eating your money... lets see I just bought creatine for $8 and it was a month's supply. It was definitely expensive. Yeah taking creatine and working out 4x per week WILL NOT work I mean no way you know SSAlexSS has come to a breakthrough in bodybuilding... working out more than 2x per weeks = FAT.

"He started wondering about 'supplements" like creatine. CHILL OFF! You don't look like you have gained anything in your couple month of training. I gained like 20 pounds of muscle. I couldnt see that on him."
Haha alright bro. Creatine must = NO GAINS as well. I mean even though thats been proven time and time again for strength/size increases, it must not work. I mean all supplements suck and are a waste of your money. Dont waste your money on a multi-vitamin, creatine, or whey protein (the basic of bodybuilding supplementation) because its just a waste of your money.

Bro dont make yourself look like such an ass seriously.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS..
Honestly bro I have better things to talk about on this board than to talk about why 3-4x a week is okay for a natural and you dont have to load up with steroids to train more than 2x per week. I think YOU happen to be the different one bro NOT everyone else. Most people can train 3-4x per week right from the start with compound exercises and make GREAT gains. I have never in my life before heard of someone training 2x per week. Even the strongest HIT advocates train more than that.

The phrase less is more in bodybuilding refers to training less than a crazy amount of volume etc. Why dont you just train one time per week, and do one set of one exercise per bodypart, with one rep? Then youll be following the saying less is more and youll look like a real ass in the same way that you do now.

"'natural can get big by working out 4x' Fat maybe. But not muscular big unless you have extraordinary genetics and circumstances (16 hours of sleep and crapload of steroids. Yeh, mild ones. A bit of deca, anavar and clenbuterol. Not real steroids like testerone and anadrol. so you are still natural."
So basically here you're saying that by working out 4x per week youll get fat?? How the hell can you come to that conclusion. Anyone that works out more than your ridiculous 2x and is not pumping steroids per week will get fat. Definitely not bro.

"True, suplements work, at eating your money. And with good program they can work. BUT, if that program ain't 4x time per week ********************!"
Supplements work at eating your money... lets see I just bought creatine for $8 and it was a month's supply. It was definitely expensive. Yeah taking creatine and working out 4x per week WILL NOT work I mean no way you know SSAlexSS has come to a breakthrough in bodybuilding... working out more than 2x per weeks = FAT.

"He started wondering about 'supplements" like creatine. CHILL OFF! You don't look like you have gained anything in your couple month of training. I gained like 20 pounds of muscle. I couldnt see that on him."
Haha alright bro. Creatine must = NO GAINS as well. I mean even though thats been proven time and time again for strength/size increases, it must not work. I mean all supplements suck and are a waste of your money. Dont waste your money on a multi-vitamin, creatine, or whey protein (the basic of bodybuilding supplementation) because its just a waste of your money.

Bro dont make yourself look like such an ass seriously.

Training ALOT OF TIMES PER WEEK is overtraining and overtraining eats your muscle.s.

HIT advocates 3 times per week for beginners and later EVEN LESS TIMES FOR ADVANCED PEOPLE.

And creatine costs are 49 dollars if not more. And I never said that creatine = no gains.

I said that that guy did not improve becasue his training sucks. Even good supplementation cannot deal with poor training.

Read
http://www.cyberpump.com/trainhard/departure.html

about a women who was workinhg out a lot and not getting anything until she started to work out less and get more results. We as men (I hope... ahem) would benefit even MORE from SANE workouts.

 

[w8liftinglady]

A few things that have helped me:
1.I focused a lot on stimulating growth hormone production,since we can't really depend on testosterone to build us up.I train in the nornings,no carbs,since insulin inhibits GH production.I take L-arginine/L-ornithine at bedtime.
2.I increased my protein intake to about 1.5gm/lb.This was very difficult for me to do,but I supplemented twice a day with protein shakes,in addition to my other meals.
3.I dropped down to three days a week of weight training,while i still do cardio 6 days a week.I focus on lifting 75-80% of my 1rm,around 8-10 reps.I try to vary my workouts every 4-6 weeks.You won't stimulate muscle growth unless you apply yourself,lift as heavy as you can,and continually push yourself.I am not a bodybuilder,but a weightlifter,although I have quads and a back that most bodybuilders would kill for.Haven't done steroids(yet).
Good luck.

 

[Valdez]

Okay SSAlexSS we get your opinion you think it's difficult for naturals to pull off 4 efficient workouts a week. Well here is my opinion: YOUR WRONG. 4 days a week is great! 5 is too much 3 too little 4 is darn perfect. Mon, Tue... Thur, Fri... And also that quote "workouts are best infrequent and brief" is a bunch of bullshit that is spawned from a moron named mike mentzer who realistically did not have a better physique than any good quality high volume pro back in the day... also for your info: Mike mentzer, Arnold, and all of those pros were JUICED TO THE MAX!!!!

workouts are best brief, and CONSISTENT. Consistency is the key to bodybuilding. Btw: I really enjoy your posts SSAlexSS, seriously.

don't even get me started on Ayn Rand and her bullshit beliefs! (not that you are a fan or anything she just came to mind)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, ooooohhh I haven't vented in these forums in a while.

 

[Super Girl 22]

just remember, we nattys have to take time, and make it ours. it takes a while to get to the next level when you are a natural. but im certain that with hard work, a solid diet, and lots of dedication. you will pull it off

First of all, i'm far from a poser. and i'm not in it for the looks. i get those without working out so dont try to play yourself. i love the sport and i love what i get out of it. i've learned how to deal with my stress and aggravation in a productive way plus i love the feeling i have when i walk out of the gym after an intense workout. so stop being a bitch