I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(serious question)

[BigRupe]

ok I think you really have a crush on me, I am seriously done messing around.
get over me geeeesh.

Yeah whatever I have a crush on you...if that floats your boat you're entitled to the fantasy. In any case you still needed to be bitch slapped. Now that we got that out of the way I'll respond.

As to your friend I am very skeptical that his "cycle" is causing his liver failure. Liver "failure" is divided into types depending on the rapidity of onset. Acute liver failure develops rapidly, but chronic liver failure may take months or years to develop. By definition, liver failure occurs when the liver is so diseased, and functioning so poorly, that encephalopathy (look it up) is evident.

As to what can he do?? It depends hasn't his doctor given him any treatments? Any treatment involves correcting any underlying cause, if this is possible and you said from AAS so that's out of the question IF that is/was the casue. Even when the cause is identified and treated, the progression to complete liver failure may be irreversible so again we need more information to answer your question and again I truly think it's a bunch of bull shit.

The liver is a very resilient organ. It has remarkable powers of regeneration and the body can withstand the loss of over two thirds of the normal liver quite easily. So I'm not really buying it that a 2 month cycle is killing him and causing liver failure, but again I will answer what "he can do".

In this case, steps must be taken to slow down the decline of liver function. Restrict his diet, avoid sodium like the plague, and they are doing liver dialysis in the U.S. (well actually it's almost at the end of approval by the FDA as a treatment modality) and if he's young he has the option of a tranplant.

Meanwhile medications, such as lactulose, can be given to relieve the symptoms of liver failure. It will help him remove ammonia. When his ammonia levels go up he'll become incoherent. I know I witnessed this personally and it was very sad.

 

[BigRupe]

... it sounds weird to me, there is no way that 4 weeks of dbol can cause liver failure.

Exactly! Unless he washed it down with radiator fluid!

 

[Bruce]

i ran winny for 6 months. my friend who is a real person lol. though not the smartest cookie runs winny and var year round with weeks for breaks. no liver failure. to answer this thread very easily my doctor knows i juice. when i have a check up he thinks i am very healthy. simpler enough said. if you would like i can show you aids patients that recieve up to 50mg of dbol for months on end and there livers are fine.

 

[Apexx]

I talked to my friend and basically he told me his first cycle looked like this (the one with the liver troubles)

8 weeks of test at 1000mg

4 weeks of D-bol at 50 mg

and he was running an ECA stack.

maybe you guys can give some input.......

enough of the drama, it was fun while it lasted.......some of you guys are too easy to get all riled up.

Seriously??? You're whole argument for steroids being "bad" is because your friend's dr said that this cycle caused his liver so much damage that it is actually failing???? Like I said before, you obviously did no research before coming to any of your conclusions. I truly don't beleive that this thread was started in an honest effort to find information for your friend. You simply used your friends unfortunate situation to draw attention to yourself......very sad!

I'm done respondind to this thread. I wish ur friend the best. I also wish ur friend new friends.

Apexx

 

[Maverick]

Seriously??? You're whole argument for steroids being "bad" is because your friend's dr said that this cycle caused his liver so much damage that it is actually failing???? Like I said before, you obviously did no research before coming to any of your conclusions. I truly don't beleive that this thread was started in an honest effort to find information for your friend. You simply used your friends unfortunate situation to draw attention to yourself......very sad!

I'm done respondind to this thread. I wish ur friend the best. I also wish ur friend new friends.

Apexx

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

 

[Bourget]

I have known some people that have had serious health issues related to steriods.....

anyway my question is why do you all do steroids ?
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Health problems thats funny were you geting your info at? Crackerjack box..At 40 i have no health issues whats so ever! People everyday want to look like me that are half my age! I am bigger,stronger and my sex life just keeps geting better and better... Hell maybe if you get layed yourself sometime you wouldnt have time to post up dump questions about shit you dont have a clue on! In the real world when your big everyone wants to be your friend!

I'm 41, and I agree 100% with EVERYTHING you said!!! I saw the HBO special and that's what really got me to try AAS. I'm in the best shape of my life, I feel great and my sex life is the best it's ever been!!(except for the fact that I'm havin trouble bustin a nut every now & then..LOL..but that's not necessarily a bad thing!)

 

[toxicsambo]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

my friend who is a real person lol.

lmao. Thank you! You see it too. Notice the change in tone? I hear the cries of "Surrender!" being mumbled through a Darth Vader mask. Fkn dork.

Someones liver desintergating from one cycle is a load of shit. Nice attempt to make an overexagerrated and false tale to try and make a point Mavprick. God what a loser.

 

[habitual]

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not

Well there you are brain child, let me break this down BARNEY SYTLE for you.......ok listen real close now, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK DICK........now go back to your friend and see if he had this problem before AAS. Liver failure is not an overnight thing but with amount of gear he used for his first cycle was a bonehead thing to do, maybe you could have refered him here and we could have helped a brother out. Big Rupe answered this question for you.

You come here and make claims with no hard evidence, spend 80% of your time talking about yourself and then you give us shit for proof.


I never said I knew anything about roids

So if you know nothing about AAS then why are you still here telling us that you have read articles from researchers and testimonies of useres and you somehow are certain that they are fucking everyone up. That is like me going telling a pilot how to fly a fucking plane when I know nothing planes, much less know what the inside of the cockpit looks like.



My advice to your "friend" is to log on www.elitefitness.com, start a profile and then let him ask the questions b/c it seems as if you are wasting our time and every other member of this board's time when we could be helping the next newbie with a post like " Is 1000mg/Test/wk and 50mg/Dbol/day too much for my first cycle"

Oh yeah, I grew up poor, had nothing, worked 3 jobs through High School just so my little sister could have enough food to eat and help my Mom pay bills. Enlisted in the Marine Corps and served a tour in Iraq and 1 Afghanistan,
and earned money through the GI bill to put my way through College. I make enough to get by and live comfortably. I do AAS because I choose not to drink and smoke, and I like the way I look and feel I go for semiannual checkups at the doctor and he is fully aware of my use and he keeps me tested for sides. The point is that I find it funny that you spend your whole time bragging about yourself but what have you given your friend? NOTHING! You I saw your kind growing up and in the Marine Corps, I dont hate you or guys like you, you all make me laugh and I realize how fortunate I am not to be like you.You come here for a pissing contest and in the mean time your friend is being fed a load of bullshit by people like you who know nothing aboutAAS and of anything for that matter,and make up these grand stories to make yourself seem as if you are an expert or actually know something. You have probably told these stories so many time that you actually start beliving yourself.

Moral to my story is, we here on the AAS forums could give a fuck less if you are some superhero with lots of money and some bs story of being a fighter, b/c in my book, you havent been in a fight unless you have been in a firefight and sent rounds down range, sweetheart and 'truly" ritch people dont talk about money. So pack up your suitcase of metrosexual bullshit and go back and let the boys of C&C tell you wow pretty you are while I pack my gymbag and go LIFT.

Have a nice day

Semper Fi,
Habitual

 

[bw1]

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

I'm sure glad your not my training partner. If you were spotting me while I was benching you might break a nail, it then could get infected and you might loose a finger

 

[columbia58]

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE BESIDES ME THAT JUST WORKS, LIFTS WEIGHTS, and JUICES??? or am i the only one?[/QUOTE]

Me....thats about it, but you left out eating......