Garry Frank's 2800 total

[Throw2Far]

Wow you know what kethnaab? I just had an amazing idea. What if I placed a fork-lift under the bar and bench pressed 3,000 lbs! Or how bout a nano-suit that allows me to bench 5,000 lbs! My main point is that suits make a mockery of Powerlifting and allow nobodys to compare their 600 (suited) bench to Kazmaier's, when in fact they aren't nearly in the same league. And furthermore a person like frank to literally smash his record, when indeed he is only either a few pounds ahead or a few pounds behind.

 

[Chambewy20]

I completely disagree.

As far as the deadlift goes, take a close looke at the "suits" guys like Andy Bolton Donnie Thompson wear, it's actually a bench singlet. For a lot of guys in the super heavys, the suits actually hinder their lifts more than help so they just were a singlet.

Arguing the use of equipment with guys who have never tried it or have never competed is a total waste of time. If you have ever tried deadlifting in a real suit, you would realize that the hardest part is getting down to the bar, typically you can get 30 lbs max out of a suit.

 

[Tiervexx]

Wow. I don't really care to get into a stupid flame war. Before you, I found that nearly everyone around is pretty cool & understands it's useless to get into insults. Here's hoping you get banned or whatever.

BTW, nice job avoiding all my other arguments. 835 lb with shirt means he could bench at least 600 --- Mendellson benched 755 no-shirt, 1000 shirt, which = 75% . 75% of 800 = 600 lbs.

So Garry can do 600+ no shirt, SAME AS KAZ.

AND, Garry deadlifts 50 more lbs. than Kaz.

Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz.

But you go ahead, insult me like a moron, ignore my arguments, and demonstrate your low IQ for us all.

You are not making arguments, just assumptions. MAYBE Garry could beat Kaz's raw lifts but you can not be sure that equipment only adds x amount. And no one lift really judges over all strength, you can have a huge deadlift and still a shit bench and over head press. Furthermore while it is true that suits do not help nearly as much with deadlifting as it does other lifts it could easily make up that 50 lbs diffrence between Garry and Kaz, maybe more.

I am not sure either way, but no reasonable person would say "Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz" without proof, and you have none.


...speaking of overhead pressing, Kaz broke a lot of oddball overhead pressing records in his time as well. There are so many things he did for the strongman competitions that a powerlifting total does not offer much proof towards. Garry has a lot to do before you can say he is even as strong as kaz, much less "clearly stronger."

 

[kethnaab]

we have no direct way of comparing whether Kaz or Garry Frank truly is "strongest ever"

we simply have no way of comparing. the use of competition gear now has rendered powerlifting records of the past essentially worthless, in the same way that aluminum baseball bats would render all hitting records worthless, as I mentioned earlier.

take the gear away, let Frank lift the way Kaz did, and then we can talk. Until then, it is borderline pointless to discuss. It is VERY pointless to get into a flamewar about hypothetical lifts vs gym lifts vs. (90% x 1RM suited) lifts, etc.

competition gear lifts the weight for you. not all of it, but far more than it ever used to, and it is forcing strongmen of the past to "lose" their records to potentially inferior strength athletes.

throw2far, I'm not sure what you were rambling on about, but you might want to take a deep breath and relax a bit. I was agreeing with you.

 

[jcp2]

garry frank pullled his best dead in a singlet not a dead suit. Garrys best bench is competition is mid 800's not 800. I would think his raw bench is somewere in the mid 600's as most full meet lifters are not bench shirt magicians, but this is complete speculation. Squating wise i have no clue what Gary can lift. As far as drugs go, from the stories i have heard Kaz far surpassed Gary in drug use. But these are only stories, i have no clue. But to say the drugs today are better is bullshit, as a general rule powerlifters don't take the different shit bodybuilders do.

 

[jcp2]

Kaz is still the overall strongest...

Also Ed Coan is the overall strongest, no comparison.

 

[jcp2]

that's my only real beef with the gear. Nothing wrong with wearing it while you workout to get an increased loading parameter, but for competition purposes...well...it's like allowing aluminum baseball bats into baseball. All the hitting records may as well get tossed, because the advantage provided specifically by the equipment is just far too enormous.

this is definately true about todays gear, the records are impossible to compare.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

garry frank pullled his best dead in a singlet not a dead suit. Garrys best bench is competition is mid 800's not 800. I would think his raw bench is somewere in the mid 600's as most full meet lifters are not bench shirt magicians, but this is complete speculation. Squating wise i have no clue what Gary can lift. As far as drugs go, from the stories i have heard Kaz far surpassed Gary in drug use. But these are only stories, i have no clue. But to say the drugs today are better is bullshit, as a general rule powerlifters don't take the different shit bodybuilders do.

i smell trouble LOL
ima perfect example drug free and i have an outstanding DL

 

[Chambewy20]

Everyone resorts back to Kaz like he's a "God" because they remember the world wide of sports "Strongman" contests when they were kids. Just because he's one of the American commentators for the World's Strongest Man contest doesn't make him the all time World's Strongest Man.

Like when Franco Columbo snapped his ankle while running with a refrigerator on his back.

Hell who is that Russian deadlifter, can't remember his name, from the late 90's who used to not even wear a belt when he pulled. You tell me gear has ruined the sport, give me a break.

 

[jcp2]

i smell trouble LOL
ima perfect example drug free and i have an outstanding DL

Yeah, but if you took drugs you would get bigger, have a harder time getting to the bar and be pulling in the 300's.