Garry Frank's 2800 total

[LiftingDukkha]

BWT/lift ratios are impressive, but smaller people will always have advantages here over the big boys simply because of physics. I forget exactly how to phrase, but I've read a few places that increases in bodymass, at the elite level, doesn't add strength "linearly," the rate of increase drops off as mass is added.

I appreciate smaller people who lift a lot (more than me) as well as women who lift a lot (sometimes more than me), but I'm still in awe of the big boys. In a full-on smack down, I'd bet on Garry Frank if he was fighting, say, Marcus Schlick (165'er who benches over 600)

 

[Throw2Far]

NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...

 

[Tiervexx]

NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...

this is likely true but since Frank has done +800 with his shirt and is known as a "brute strength" rather then techniqe guy it is possible he might be able to still do a lot without a shirt.

However, I will say that I don't think LiftingDukkha realizes how much of an assumption he is making when he said that Gary is probably stronger then Kaz was...that will take some serious proof.

 

[LiftingDukkha]

this is likely true but since Frank has done +800 with his shirt and is known as a "brute strength" rather then techniqe guy it is possible he might be able to still do a lot without a shirt.

However, I will say that I don't think LiftingDukkha realizes how much of an assumption he is making when he said that Gary is probably stronger then Kaz was...that will take some serious proof.

Well, for one thing, Garry deadlifts up to 935 lbs. Most Kaz ever did was aroudn 880. Deadlift = best overall indicator of true strength, since suits can't help.

Who knows, with or without suits. (That's one thing that really does suck about suits -- you just can't compare direct strengths across decades.)

But Garry is still, what, like 200 lbs ahead of his nearest competition, today, in overall total?

How close was Kaz's nearest competition back in 1970-whatever? 50 lbs? or closer?

Garry is (I think) around 200 lbs ahead of his nearest present-day competition. Even at a suited 2800 total, this represent about 7% superiority over his closest competition.

Kaz, at 2470 non-suited, was about, say, 50 lbs. ahead of his nearest contemporary competitor. 50/2470 = ~ 0.6 % !!!!

0.6% vs 7.0%

Garry Frank's lead over his competition is about 10 TIMES greater, by percent, than Kaz's lead over his competition!


(Note: If someone else is actually closer to Garry's 2800 than "just" 2600, please let me know!)

 

[LiftingDukkha]

NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...

(1) *In a single-lift meet, Garry deadlifted 935. Kaz deadlifted 880. Garry beat Kaz by 50 lbs.

(2) Garry benched WAAYYY over 700 -- He's benched over 800, in a 3-lift meet. In fact, he benched over 800 in his 3-lift record total, so you can't say he backed off the other lifts to have strength left over to bench 800.




2004 APF Jacksonville Open

1085 Squat
837 Bench
881 Deadlift

2805 Total

 

[Throw2Far]

You're a fucking moron... You can't compare a 660 raw bench with a 800 suited bench. And yes there are suits for deadlifting... you are wrong...

Benching "WAAYYY over 700" with a suit is fucking commonplace nowadays.... Benching over 660 without a suit is NOT! End of story...

 

[LiftingDukkha]

Wow. I don't really care to get into a stupid flame war. Before you, I found that nearly everyone around is pretty cool & understands it's useless to get into insults. Here's hoping you get banned or whatever.

BTW, nice job avoiding all my other arguments. 835 lb with shirt means he could bench at least 600 --- Mendellson benched 755 no-shirt, 1000 shirt, which = 75% . 75% of 800 = 600 lbs.

So Garry can do 600+ no shirt, SAME AS KAZ.

AND, Garry deadlifts 50 more lbs. than Kaz.

Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz.

But you go ahead, insult me like a moron, ignore my arguments, and demonstrate your low IQ for us all.

 

[kethnaab]

(That's one thing that really does suck about suits -- you just can't compare direct strengths across decades.)

that's my only real beef with the gear. Nothing wrong with wearing it while you workout to get an increased loading parameter, but for competition purposes...well...it's like allowing aluminum baseball bats into baseball. All the hitting records may as well get tossed, because the advantage provided specifically by the equipment is just far too enormous.

 

[Throw2Far]

Lets use your logic then:

Frank does 835. That means he would have done a (835x.75) 626.25 lb bench press. 45 lbs less than kaz. He also performed his deadlift with a suit (that yes does help, and the reason the "moron" comment), whether it is the equivilent of a 75% raw deadlift or 90% raw deadlift it really doesnt matter because either way Kaz could do more than Frank RAW!

Lets break this down for you:

1. 635.25<661
2. Deadlift suits help more than 50 lbs
3. Squat (suited) 1085<925 Squat RAW

To add to the prowess of Kaz, he was an overall athlete, a specimen for the ages. He went on to win the Worlds Strongest Man 3x, start for the Greenbay Packers, and won the Tag Team Championship belt in WCW. Kazmaier could have squatted over 1000 lbs raw and MOST DEFINITELY could have benched over 700 if he would not have torn his pec in other sports. He is the epitomy of the strength athlete. Gary Frank, my friend, is not!

 

[Throw2Far]

As a sidenote, he did this in the age before Megadoses, HGH, IGF-1, Slin, PGF-1, SUPPLEMENTS etc...