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Excess Protein - Useless or not? Which is it!?
- Thread starter Tom Treutlein
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OK. But you will realise over time that it does not matter in the least bit. While cycling it's a different story. Protein does not itself make you anaboic, it can only support anabolic actions that are trying to take place in the first place. Remeber that your body does not waste a thing and it very minimalistic with it's resources. Force feeding it anything beyond what it wants is just unecessary. But i guessin this so called sport everyone feels like they have to do something "special" and outside the mainstream. Powders seem to make all of us feel better.
Riddle me this though, how come the prison population living on slop and a very average protein intake can get as muscular and ripped as they do? Why? Because by just about all account on EF they should be overtrained, flobby and weak and certainly not making ANY gains.
Riddle me this though, how come the prison population living on slop and a very average protein intake can get as muscular and ripped as they do? Why? Because by just about all account on EF they should be overtrained, flobby and weak and certainly not making ANY gains.
JKurz1
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You watch too many movies kid.....have you been to a prison? The MAJORITY are not very big at all, unless they came in big. No one goes to prison at 120lbs and comes out 245 at 5%......some use supplements, some use roids, some have nutrition brought in.....protein is the building block for muscles to grow.......skimp on it if you wish............
First off i'm not a kid, second i have enough IQ to figure out that not everyone in prison works out and is huge. You know the point i was making and you know it's correct. Same thing with studying African bush men. Sorry to put a dent in your universe. But loading up on very large ammounts of protein is pointless. Even Dorian Yates in very frank interviews mentioned he rarely takes in more then 350 grams, usually around the 300 mark.
JKurz1
Banned
Oh relax chief.....Oops, you're not a chief either......I wasn't calling YOU a kid, I was saying it in jest....you're not my brother either, yet I call you bro...go figure....lol.....WHATEVER THE CASE, as I continue to preach more than anything, WHAT WORKS FOR ME, MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU. What works for Dorian, or arnold, or mr.prison dude, or brad pitt, may not work for me. I know a couple of guys that are pretty damn strong and have NO CLUE about how to eat.....fast food x3 is a daily occurance......just use what works.....personally, I look better, feel better, etc when my protein is high!GREGORY said:
I need the calories, plain and simple, or else I'll turn into a twig. Like I said, I'd rather take in 300-400g of protein and more fat and carbs......
Tom Treutlein
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Greg...Jkurz is right in one sense, and that is that most people in prison aren't anything special. There are large guys in there, sure, but they don't get that way by just being in jail.
And uhm...IQ? What does having a higher IQ have to do with anything?
You sure you're not a kid?
And uhm...IQ? What does having a higher IQ have to do with anything?
You sure you're not a kid?Tom Treutlein said:Greg...Jkurz is right in one sense, and that is that most people in prison aren't anything special. There are large guys in there, sure, but they don't get that way by just being in jail.
And uhm...IQ? What does having a higher IQ have to do with anything?
Fine he's right in his sense and he does what works for him. The IQ comment was a response to his condesending tone in the post. Calling someone a kid in regards to a topic can easily be taken as condesention. And since this is the internet i can't exactly read someones expression or get a feel for their "tone" as easily. But whatever everyone on the net is an expert.
JKurz1 said:
Nothing got out of hand, and i was not arguing. Your point in all this is do what works, right? My point in this discussion was not to debate whether it works for you or anyone else, but rather WHY it works and how. Without trying to understand why somethig works we may be under false impressions in regards to our diet structure.
Look at it like this. I am 6'2 in height and at my peak while BB weighed 275 lbs. My cycles pretty much consisted of 500mg total AS use for 8-10 week cycles. I started cycling at 21 and 210lbs and ended at 23 at 275. During my cycles i used an approach where i took in more carbs and kept the protein at about 150-200 grams per day. During those times i experimented with protein intake and found that providing the caloric intake was the same it made no difference in my recovery whether i ingested 200 grams of protein or as high as 400 grams. This was when i made some realizations about protein intake. My training partner came to the same conclusion. So we based our intake on LBM, meaning assuming we had 0% BF. Then that number was multiplied by .8 and we came up with about 200-225 grams. And it worked.
PS.
I know for a fact that a diet is hard to setup and even more difficult to follow. It's really a head game. So for a lot of newer (1 year in BB or less)guys including myself this was very daunting task. Simply working out was easier, and when it came to diet i just looked to protein as the "key". Most things came secondary. Over time hovewer i realised that protein was important but not that important. Protein levels exceeding 350 grams left me bloated, sweating all the time (thermogenic) and were just a general pain in the ass to follow. As the saying goes, too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
And damn it, i'm not a kid or a newbie. Been here for years, but my old account got deactivated
