Do BCAAs slow down Vitargo asorption?

[Gingerista]

Does taking BCAAs in Vitargo slow down the absorption of it? I read in one of the forums that adding anything to it slows it down, hence the practice of delaying the whey.

I'm taking 3 scoops of Xtend pre/during my workout with an extra 2.5-3g of glutamine added. Post workout, I'm doing another 3 scoops of Xtend + glutamine before I leave the gym, then 10 minutes later Vitargo S2 and then 30 minutes later whey isolate.

Can I mix the Vitargo and Xtend PWO? I'm about 145lbs and F.

If I wanted to experiment with Vitargo before a workout, would 2 hours prior to training be long enough?


Thanks

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Does taking BCAAs in Vitargo slow down the absorption of it? I read in one of the forums that adding anything to it slows it down, hence the practice of delaying the whey.

I'm taking 3 scoops of Xtend pre/during my workout with an extra 2.5-3g of glutamine added. Post workout, I'm doing another 3 scoops of Xtend + glutamine before I leave the gym, then 10 minutes later Vitargo S2 and then 30 minutes later whey isolate.

Can I mix the Vitargo and Xtend PWO? I'm about 145lbs and F.

If I wanted to experiment with Vitargo before a workout, would 2 hours prior to training be long enough?


Thanks

I always usually do the Xtend/glutamine during my workout then do Gasparis Size on imediately pwo then the Vitargo or waxy maize/whey protein 30-45 min after the size on.

 

[cal62887]

Does taking BCAAs in Vitargo slow down the absorption of it? I read in one of the forums that adding anything to it slows it down, hence the practice of delaying the whey.

I'm taking 3 scoops of Xtend pre/during my workout with an extra 2.5-3g of glutamine added. Post workout, I'm doing another 3 scoops of Xtend + glutamine before I leave the gym, then 10 minutes later Vitargo S2 and then 30 minutes later whey isolate.

I would combine the Carbs and BCAAs. There was a study floating around a while ago (I'll see if I can dig it up for you) that showed BCAAS (Leucine in particular) combined with carbohydrates.

If you're buying glutamine extra, your money mayh be better spent on a leucine product. Glutamine is great for intestinal flora and GI issues, but it's not the bodybuilding utensil that everyone once thought it was.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 288: E645-E653, 2005.
Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases postexercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects

The present study was designed to determine postexercise muscle protein synthesis and whole body protein balance following the combined ingestion of carbohydrate with or without protein and/or free leucine. Eight male subjects were randomly assigned to three trials in which they consumed drinks containing either carbohydrate (CHO), carbohydrate and protein (CHO+PRO), or carbohydrate, protein, and free leucine (CHO+PRO+Leu) following 45 min of resistance exercise. A primed, continuous infusion of L-[ring-13C6]phenylalanine was applied, with blood samples and muscle biopsies collected to assess fractional synthetic rate (FSR) in the vastus lateralis muscle as well as whole body protein turnover during 6 h of postexercise recovery. Plasma insulin response was higher in the CHO+PRO+Leu compared with the CHO and CHO+PRO trials (+240 ? 19% and +77 ? 11%, respectively, P < 0.05). Whole body protein breakdown rates were lower, and whole body protein synthesis rates were higher, in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials compared with the CHO trial (P < 0.05). Addition of leucine in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial resulted in a lower protein oxidation rate compared with the CHO+PRO trial. Protein balance was negative during recovery in the CHO trial but positive in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials. In the CHO+PRO+Leu trial, whole body net protein balance was significantly greater compared with values observed in the CHO+PRO and CHO trials (P < 0.05). Mixed muscle FSR, measured over a 6-h period of postexercise recovery, was significantly greater in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial compared with the CHO trial (0.095 ? 0.006 vs. 0.061 ? 0.008%/h, respectively, P < 0.05), with intermediate values observed in the CHO+PRO trial (0.0820 ? 0.0104%/h). We conclude that coingestion of protein and leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis and optimizes whole body protein balance compared with the intake of carbohydrate only.

In conclusion, the combined ingestion of protein and leucine with carbohydrate improves whole body protein balance during recovery from resistance exercise compared with the ingestion of carbohydrate or carbohydrate with protein. The combined ingestion of both leucine and protein with carbohydrate augments postexercise mixed muscle protein synthesis compared with the ingestion of only carbohydrate. The present data indicate that the additional ingestion of free leucine in combination with protein and carbohydrate likely represents an effective strategy to increase muscle anabolism following resistance exercise.

Can I mix the Vitargo and Xtend PWO? I'm about 145lbs and F.

If I wanted to experiment with Vitargo before a workout, would 2 hours prior to training be long enough?


Thanks[/QUOTE]

I always usually do the Xtend/glutamine during my workout then do Gasparis Size on imediately pwo then the Vitargo or waxy maize/whey protein 30-45 min after the size on.

Have you ever tried mixing BCAAs with SizeOn

Heaven in a bottle

 

[Gingerista]

Thanks for the info. I don't want to do creatine, so I'm going to stay away from the Size On. Glutamine seems to help with my soreness

Will the BCAAs interfere with fat or calorie burning on cardio/HIIT only days?

 

[hurricane]

combine Vitargo with creatine, glutamine, taurine, NO2 products, BCAA's,
or creatine ethyl esters, you'll get almost double the absorption These
nutrients can now bypass harsh stomach acids and are super-shuttled
into your muscles

 

[SouthernLord]

combine Vitargo with creatine, glutamine, taurine, NO2 products, BCAA's,
or creatine ethyl esters, you'll get almost double the absorption These
nutrients can now bypass harsh stomach acids and are super-shuttled
into your muscles

Yes!!!

The Vitargo/WMS should be at least 75% of the mixture and it should be mixed in a 5-10% solution of water. This is optimal for proper absorption and uptake.

 

[cal62887]

Yes!!!

The Vitargo/WMS should be at least 75% of the mixture and it should be mixed in a 5-10% solution of water. This is optimal for proper absorption and uptake.

5-10% of what solution?

Is this to say that Water can effect absorption rates? I didn't think the amount of water had anything to do with how fast something is absorbed into the body as long as everything was ingested.

 

[SouthernLord]

5-10% of what solution?

Is this to say that Water can effect absorption rates? I didn't think the amount of water had anything to do with how fast something is absorbed into the body as long as everything was ingested.

https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/...y-maize-starch-thread-612100.html#post8475708

Another thing... i see a lot of guys on here giving mixing recommendations for their WMS shakes. "Just mix three scoops with 12-16oz of water bro. You can throw your whey in there if you like." This is not good. The optimal way to mix WMS is in a 5-10% solution of water. This will allow the WMS to do it's job. If you do not mix it right, you might as well not even use it IMO. Proper mixing makes a world of difference.

For the mathematically impaired I have already done the leg work for you.... For every 50 grams of powder you need at least 1 liter of water. Your old rotten Nalgene bottle holds one liter of liquid.

So you can mix one 70cc scoop of WMS (40g) + 10g BCAA + 5g Creatine in 1L of water and this will give you about the perfect mixture. For those that need more than 40g of WMS PWO I suggest making two shakes in two separate bottles. This works good for me.

Ok we have the mixing part down and a good suggestion for what to put in it. The purpose of the WMS + BCAA/Creatine is to pull those nutrients into your muscles as fast as possible and refill your Glycogen stores that have been depleted during your workout. Well what about the Protein??? Well, adding whey to your WMS is not a good idea. It will dramatically slow down the WMS. The whole point of the WMS is to be "fast acting". I suggest that you consume your WMS immediately PWO then wait 15-30 minutes and have 50g Whey Isolate + 10g L-Leucine. This has been working really well for me, and I have seen others recommend something similar. At the minimum consume 40g of some sort of Whey 15-30 minutes after your WMS. 30-40 minutes after the whey is a good time to get a solid meal. Lean Protein(meat) is ideal here. Carb sources here may vary depending on diet and time of day.

 

[SouthernLord]

Maybe this is "Bro Knowledge"........

but since I have been following this protocol I have zero bloat when taking WMS. Before I would just mix what ever amount of WMS in whatever amount of water and I would bloat just like with dextrose.

 

[cal62887]

Southern,

That was a good read but I have some problems with it. I am by no means qualified to go above the "I have heard/read" theories since I'm no biologist but i've never heard of water intake effecting nutrition uptake. Is there any study you can post to back that up. I know how hard it is to track down studies, so if you can't find one, I'll understand but I'd love to read some literature on it.

I'm not here to debate you, I'm only here to expand my knowledge so here I go:

The premise of WMS or amylocel doesn't really make much sense to lifter anyway since glycogen isn't depleted. I'm sure most people here know how important a pre workout meal is to energy levels so I'll assume that you're getting a low GI carb in with a good source of fat and protein... with that said, you glycogen stores aren't nearly to the point of depletion that many think. Glycogen depletion may come into play in high endurance athletes and those who work out for 3+ hours of High Intensity training. So I'm not to say that High GI carbs aren't good for some, but for most people, there should be a steady flow of insulin without the need for an insulin response to replenish Glycogen.

I guess it all comes down to the type of training you're doing, in my opinion, if you're diet is right, you shouldn't need to worry about glycogen replenishment or the amount of water that you mix nutrients with.

What works for you is what works for you. I gotta hand it to you for writing that up and helping people out. I also appreciate the good discussion. Hopefully you can point me in the right direction or respond with some literature or an argument of your own.

some karma sent your way.