Diet help for 1st cycle: Cal requirements

[spamisok1]

I'm preparing for my 1st cycle and can't get straight answers for calorie requirements on gear. My cycle is:

Nandrolone Norma 400 mg/week/8weeks
Test Propionate 150mg/week/8weeks
Winstrol Depot 150mg/week/8weeks
PCT – Clomid 3weeks

My stats are 27 yrs, 6'0", 195, 11%bf

I'm looking add a modest amount of lean mass. I do not want to pack on 20lbs and look like a bloated no neck. If you can't see your abs I'm not interested in your diet.

The best I can gleam from other threads is about 5,000 clean cal per day, over 7 meals, around 50/30/20 P/C/F.

Also, anyone add dextrose to post lift shake? amount?

Finally, I know once people see someone asking questions for their first cycle they just flame them for their choice of gear and tell them to do more test and more research. I appreciate advise on my cycle but also please answer my diet question, then tear me a new one.

Thanks

 

[KeepinMyGains]

PCT is weak. I would drop the Clomid and Run Nolvadex. I'll leave it to the pros concerning diet

 

[pitbullrocco]

I'm preparing for my 1st cycle and can't get straight answers for calorie requirements on gear. My cycle is:

Nandrolone Norma 400 mg/week/8weeks
Test Propionate 150mg/week/8weeks
Winstrol Depot 150mg/week/8weeks
PCT – Clomid 3weeks

My stats are 27 yrs, 6'0", 195, 11%bf

I'm looking add a modest amount of lean mass. I do not want to pack on 20lbs and look like a bloated no neck. If you can't see your abs I'm not interested in your diet.

The best I can gleam from other threads is about 5,000 clean cal per day, over 7 meals, around 50/30/20 P/C/F.

Also, anyone add dextrose to post lift shake? amount?

Finally, I know once people see someone asking questions for their first cycle they just flame them for their choice of gear and tell them to do more test and more research. I appreciate advise on my cycle but also please answer my diet question, then tear me a new one.

Thanks

no, first i'm gonna flame you. that ratio of deca to prop is a recipe for disaster. (based on personal experience). having said that...........

if you've done your research, then post your BMI and BMR. we don't have time to do that for everyone. then we'll work on your diet.

yes, everyone adds fast acting sugar to post-shake. a handful.

 

[mattu3743]

how come people say you shouldnt use nolvadex with a nandrolone???

 

[spamisok1]

PCT is weak. I would drop the Clomid and Run Nolvadex. I'll leave it to the pros concerning diet

Thanks for the feedback but I stayed away from Nolva cause its all over the board that Nolva + Deca (or tren) = gyno. Do you disagree?

 

[spamisok1]

no, first i'm gonna flame you. that ratio of deca to prop is a recipe for disaster. (based on personal experience). having said that...........

if you've done your research, then post your BMI and BMR. we don't have time to do that for everyone. then we'll work on your diet.

yes, everyone adds fast acting sugar to post-shake. a handful.

BMI = 25.7
BMR = 1455
TDEE = 2255 (1.55 factor)

I'm really curious what was wrong running that ratio? What exactly was the prob?

I put it together as a very safe cycle with modest gains that I can retain. The only worry I have is PCT but a few diff people assured me Clomid was enough. What would u do diff?

Thanks!

 

[joe d]

raise the test higher then the decca. like 600mg. use dost. or letro on cycle and clomid 50mg ed and pp test recovery stack for pct. eat as much as you can and train hard to bulk. i think bulking is in your best interest. do not use nolva with nandros.

 

[pitbullrocco]

BMI = 25.7
BMR = 1455
TDEE = 2255 (1.55 factor)

I'm really curious what was wrong running that ratio? What exactly was the prob?

I put it together as a very safe cycle with modest gains that I can retain. The only worry I have is PCT but a few diff people assured me Clomid was enough. What would u do diff?

Thanks!

please read:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...t-cycle-deca-test-e-634782-2.html#post8646704

your BMI could be misleading if you really are 11% bf. (otherwise, why not cut for 4 more weeks). but the BMR just don't look right. i've calculated around 2000. how did you calculate that? whatever the case, you should eat around 400-500 cals more than your BMR a day. 5000 cals/day is more than likely too much.

seriously, test dose should be higher than deca, rule of thumb, period. i don't recommend over 300mg/week of deca for first cycle.

important question: what are the concentrations per bottle of your oils? ( i don't like only 150mg prop/week, but i'll wait for this answer first )

 

[cobracock1979]

BMI = 25.7
BMR = 1455
TDEE = 2255 (1.55 factor)

I'm really curious what was wrong running that ratio? What exactly was the prob?

I put it together as a very safe cycle with modest gains that I can retain. The only worry I have is PCT but a few diff people assured me Clomid was enough. What would u do diff?

Thanks!

BMR is WAY off! Im similar in size to you my BMR is double that, I would recalculate it. Your gonna be 2500cals-2700 cals

 

[EZ_E]

I'm preparing for my 1st cycle and can't get straight answers for calorie requirements on gear. My cycle is:

Nandrolone Norma 400 mg/week/8weeks
Test Propionate 150mg/week/8weeks
Winstrol Depot 150mg/week/8weeks
PCT – Clomid 3weeks

My stats are 27 yrs, 6'0", 195, 11%bf

I'm looking add a modest amount of lean mass. I do not want to pack on 20lbs and look like a bloated no neck. If you can't see your abs I'm not interested in your diet.

The best I can gleam from other threads is about 5,000 clean cal per day, over 7 meals, around 50/30/20 P/C/F.

Also, anyone add dextrose to post lift shake? amount?

Finally, I know once people see someone asking questions for their first cycle they just flame them for their choice of gear and tell them to do more test and more research. I appreciate advise on my cycle but also please answer my diet question, then tear me a new one.

Thanks

This is from Needto in regards to a test/deca cycle:

never ever ever ever run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for PCT - post cycle therapy - after Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Shit even Clomid would be better but I think you should do this...


soon as cycle is over do 10 days HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 1000iu's eod..

then start PCT - post cycle therapy - 25mg Clomid ed and 5 pumps Sustain Alpha ed for 4 weeks as well..

Please keep Femera - letrozole - and dostinex on hand for this cycle.

Also as said B4, the doses are way off for this cycle. 150 mg's of test a week won't do a thing and you need to run the test about 2 weeks longer than the deca.

10 weeks test 400mg's/wk
8 weeks deca 200 mg's/wk


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[needtogetaas]

This is from Needto in regards to a test/deca cycle:

never ever ever ever run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for PCT - post cycle therapy - after Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Shit even Clomid would be better but I think you should do this...


soon as cycle is over do 10 days HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 1000iu's eod..

then start PCT - post cycle therapy - 25mg Clomid ed and 5 pumps Sustain Alpha ed for 4 weeks as well..

Please keep Femera - letrozole - and dostinex on hand for this cycle.

Also as said B4, the doses are way off for this cycle. 150 mg's of test a week won't do a thing and you need to run the test about 2 weeks longer than the deca.

10 weeks test 400mg's/wk
8 weeks deca 200 mg's/wk


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spot on. I like test for 12 and deca for 10 but its still a lot better then what this guy is thinking of doing.

 

[spamisok1]

your BMI could be misleading if you really are 11% bf. (otherwise, why not cut for 4 more weeks). but the BMR just don't look right. i've calculated around 2000. how did you calculate that?

I got this from the sticky in the diet section:

***Use the following equation to calculate your Basal Metabolic Rate***

Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in yrs)

I F'ed up and used my height in inches instead of cm. So BMR is about 2000 and TDEE about 3000.

I thought 500 cal per day was for bulking without gear, my real question is whether I need more than that (750 or so) during cycle.

Thanks

 

[spamisok1]

important question: what are the concentrations per bottle of your oils? ( i don't like only 150mg prop/week, but i'll wait for this answer first )

Deca = 200mg/2cc
Test = 50mg/?
Winny = 50mg/1cc

But doesn't matter, I like the cycle EZ_E laid out. Think I'm gonna run that instead.

 

[EZ_E]

Deca = 200mg/2cc
Test = 50mg/?
Winny = 50mg/1cc

But doesn't matter, I like the cycle EZ_E laid out. Think I'm gonna run that instead.

You can thank Zeus for that, aka "The Man" Needtogetaas

 

[spamisok1]

You can thank Zeus for that, aka "The Man" Needtogetaas

Thanks to both of you. I thought I had a good diet/exercise plan going til I started researching these threads and you meatsticks have so much god damn info on here that I'm putting off my cycle for a few months to do some more research and tweak the rest of my routine.

However, no one really answered my origional question. I thought a 500 cal per day surplus was the rule of thumb for bulking without AAS, so would you need more on cycle due to the fact that you would be putting on muscle much faster?