CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[vinylgroover]

vinylgroover: Why are you being such an asshole? Just because I hold a different opinion than you doesn't mean that I'm irresponsible and just because other members disagree doesn't make them "fucking stupid" -- as you say.

I'd venture to guess I have at least as much experience, at least as presdigeous credentials and I know at least as much about training as you do, so where do you come off wih the imperious attitude?

And besides, you're wrong.

Dialtone. One thing: You're defending areobics as an effective form of fat burning, yet you say you got ripped for a compitition without them. Which is it bro?

Then tell me where the fuck i am wrong in what i have said.

You would have far more 'learned' experience and qualificatons in the respective fields, but i always use common sense as my guide, and the ability to objectively analyse and read, and not just disagree for the sake of creating controversy and then back that up with a host of mumbo jumbo bullshit.

I broke it down very simply for you Nelson in what i said....... so again, tell me where i am wrong.

I'll tell you why you can't.......because what i said was very simply fact, not some wishy washy scientific crap which we can all sit around and debate till the cows come home.

Cardio helps oxidise fat by forcing the body to use more oxygen....simple fact.

Cardio increases cardiovascular fitness which in turn makes the heart more efficient.....simple fact.

I'll tell you again, stop being irresponsible because there are people here who are influenced by what you say.

You may be right in everything else you have said on these boards.....i don't know because i've never read your posts other than on this thread......but you are wrong this time.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

1. Brickgirl...your pic journal is VERY motivating

2. My workout buddy has some fat on him that is damn stubborn, and I don't know what to tell him...he doesn't even eat that much cuz he doesn't have time...2 meals a day...now that is definitely below his maintenance calories...so the diet approach goes out the window. We lift intensely 4 times a week...he's keeping his mass but not any leaner...

I think cardio is the only thing I can recommend he really step up on...

 

[BrickGirl]

well, his problem is him eating only twice a day, he needs to eat at least 5 times 6 times would be much better. He starving himself with high intensity workouts, his body is probably in survival mode and not wanting to let go of anything, including fat, it knows it isn't going to get anything, so it holds it. fix his diet first.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mumbo Jumbo scientic crap? ME?!?!

Man, have you got the wrong guy.

This is where most people are mistaken.

They assume that aerobics somehow magically work the heart whereas other forms of exercise don't. Now, I'm not talking about one rep maxes here. But sustained fast pace weight training will elevate HR and do all that good stuff that aerobics does, but it'll do it much better and without the negitive side effects. Is that so hard to understand?

Simple fact: Weight training causes an increse in oxygen uptake. However aerobics increases oxidation more.

Simple fact: Any form of conditioning make the heart more effecient but it will only matter to a point. You can have a very efficient heart and drop dead of a heart attack. More cardio will not tilt the odds in your favor. In fact, the increed pollutans you take in may increase heart damage.

If you think I'm just pulling this out of thin air juust to be controversial you're way off base bro. Why not accept the fact that you learned something and be grateful.

And yes. I'm 49, do no cardio, and my heart is in perfect shape, I have 9% bf, my bp is 120/70, my pulse is 60, my cholesterol is 150 and I can even ruun a 10 minute mile, so tell me how I'm going to drop dead from not exercising my heart?

Dial Tone. Bro. The fact that you had no choice and couldn't do any cardio is irrelevant. You got ripped without it and that proves my point.

Damn, even the people with personal first hand experience proving me right argue with me! Is it me? It's me, isn't it?

 

[40butpumpin]

well, his problem is him eating only twice a day, he needs to eat at least 5 times 6 times would be much better. He starving himself with high intensity workouts, his body is probably in survival mode and not wanting to let go of anything, including fat, it knows it isn't going to get anything, so it holds it. fix his diet first.

Right on.

 

[vinylgroover]

Mumbo Jumbo scientic crap? ME?!?!

Man, have you got the wrong guy.

This is where most people are mistaken.

They assume that aerobics somehow magically work the heart whereas other forms of exercise don't. Now, I'm not talking about one rep maxes here. But sustained fast pace weight training will elevate HR and do all that good stuff that aerobics does, but it'll do it much better and without the negitive side effects. Is that so hard to understand?

Simple fact: Weight training causes an increse in oxygen uptake. However aerobics increases oxidation more.

Simple fact: Any form of conditioning make the heart more effecient but it will only matter to a point. You can have a very efficient heart and drop dead of a heart attack. More cardio will not tilt the odds in your favor. In fact, the increed pollutans you take in may increase heart damage.

Sustained fast pace weight training will do it better?.........yeah thanks Trevor. You've obviously never done any exercise to make an ill-informed comment like that.

I don't give a crap how fast you do your weight training, it simply doesn't force your body to recruit anywhere near as mch oxygen as aerobic activity, whether it be swimmig, running whatever.

What are these negative side-effects you talk about?

yes, you can have a very efficent heart without cardiovascular training.....that's the luck of the draw, but for those who don't, you can improve the functioning of your heart by improving your fitness.......the best way to do that is through cardiovascular conditioning for the simple reasons i mentioned peviously.

How simple was that folks.......and you didn't need to buy my book. End of lesson Nelson.

 

[Nelson Montana]

vinylgroover. You got me. I've never done any exercising.

You have taught me a lesson. I shouldn't waste my time trying to explain something to someone who cant comprehend simple facts.

 

[Animal]

Man am I fucking stupid!

Every school should rescind their degrees in biochemistry and all biochem and exercise physiology books should be re written because 'cardio only exercises the heart.'

That's one of the best stupid statements of all time I've seen on here, yet.

Another classic is that going over your target heartrate is causing catabolism! BHAHA! Take a look at olympic and world track champions in the sprint where they hit and go over their max every fucking day! And they are 220 plus at that level and would put most of you to shame!


But hey, feel free to post where these studies are proving such statements and then tell me where to get dbol,, winny, deca and how I should best cycle it.


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[ANABOLICK1]

All I know is that when I did cardio, my muscles looked GODDAMN FLAT !! I know water loss is mostly the reason, but I swear I lost muscle, not fat.

 

[jboldman]

Initially I thoght that Nelson was posting for informational purposes but it is becoming increasingly clear that he is trolling! He certainly knows enough to push the right buttons and clearly enjoys the controvery. The arguments have enough of a germ of truth to them to make them coherent but specious. Although i find the ongoing discussion interesting and amusing, Nelson is really dragging his credibility through the mud by continuing.

good points made:

weight lifting is an exellent way to gain muscle, lose fat,and reduce cardio vascular risk factors.

Diet is an effective way to lose weight.

Cardio is an exellent adjunct to weight trainging for weight loss(fat loss)(nelson does not agree)

Cardio is an exellent way to improve cardio vascular health and thereby decrease CV risk faactors leading to a higher quality of life and extended life expectancy(nelson does not agree)

None of this is rocket science and really should not be all that controversial. If one choses to lose weight without cardio, it is certainly possible. You can also achieve the same goals by incorporating cardio.

Where is the controvery? In nelson's mind. One has to ask why he argues this so vehemently?

jb