CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[Debaser]

Wow Nelson considering you must have ignored it 4 times, let's see if you ignore it a fifth:

When I cut out carbs in the afternoon, my glycogen depletes slowly until I am fully depleted in the morning. Then in the morning the cardio directly burns fat as fuel, in the absence of the glycogen. Are you saying this isn't true? Also, if nutrient timing did not matter, as you've said many times, then why is this practice so effective?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wow Nelson considering you must have ignored it 4 times, let's see if you ignore it a fifth:


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Ignore what? I believe I've addressed each point. But some people get pissed unless you respond to their every whim.

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When I cut out carbs in the afternoon, my glycogen depletes slowly until I am fully depleted in the morning.
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When you cut carbs in the afternoon you're depleted by morning??? You lost me. Do you mean you cut in the morning and are depleted by afternoon? If so, you're wrong. You'll still have available glycogen.
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Then in the morning the cardio directly burns fat as fuel, in the absence of the glycogen. Are you saying this isn't true? ...................................
Do you mean you just eat carbs at breakfast?
At any rate, the idea that the body uses fat for fuel is kind of silly. Of course it does. Always has. But the preferred fuel s carbs for high energy activity. Without carbs, you release ketones and burn muscle along with fat. That's a fact.

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Also, if nutrient timing did not matter, as you've said many times, then why is this practice so effective?

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Now we're on nutrient timing? I'm not sure what that has to do with this, but okay. But cutting carbs isn't really nutrient timing in the regard in which I refer to it. If you're going to argue a point, please understand it first. There's no way to address a misconception.

 

[Debaser]

I'm not sure why you're making this so complicated. I thought it was pretty clear.

Let's say I stop eating carbs at 3PM. My glycogen will slowly deplete. By the time I wake up the NEXT MORNING, it will be fully depleted. Now I'll do cardio (45 min to 1 hr slow paced incline walking) before I eat. Since there's no available glycogen, fat will be burned directly.

 

[jboldman]

Save your breath debaser, this is an argument that you can not win. Neson does not believe in preferential substrate utilization even though i have posted studies.

jb

I'm not sure why you're making this so complicated. I thought it was pretty clear.

Let's say I stop eating carbs at 3PM. My glycogen will slowly deplete. By the time I wake up the NEXT MORNING, it will be fully depleted. Now I'll do cardio (45 min to 1 hr slow paced incline walking) before I eat. Since there's no available glycogen, fat will be burned directly.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Debaser--

You probably won't be all the way into ketosis. However, a couple or three capsules of r-ala will help get you there. I have posted here about a.m. sprints with ala and sauna. Now that gets a guy ripped.

Sprints and light, high rep squats are the best exercises to get ripped. It's just that simple.

Wait...I can get more accurate than that: Sprints and high rep squats are the best exercises for ME to get ripped.

There we go.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Darn. And just when I thought jboldman and myself were on the same page. Dude, when are you going to realize that just because somebody did a study, that doesn't make the conclusions irrufutable proof!?

Debasser: There are 2 points that are arguable.

One: Even though you did not eat any carbs for 16 hours or so, that doesnt mean there isn't any glycogen in your bloodstream.

BUT IF...that were true, you would be in a very catabolic state.

Two: This notion that the body will burn fat instead of carbs is simply not true. It will use ANY available source, and that includes protein. (In fact, it would prefer protein but that's another lengthy explanation) At any rate, the use of protein as an energy source poses two problems. One -- it increases urea in the bloodstream. And two -- muscle is an available souce of protein.

Now maybe your regime is working for you, but it seems awfully drastic. No carbs at all for most of the day? What do you have for a bedtime snack? Lamb chops? One hour of aerobics prior to eating and working out? That too seems excessive and ultimately unnecessary.

BUT WAIT A MINUTE! Did you say walking???

I wouldn't consider walking what most people call CARDIO. So once again, you're debating different issues. Walking is definitely a fat buning activity. But I'm not going to wake up early and go to a gym to do it. Walking is just a part of life. I recommend it highly.

 

[satchboogie]

slobber: You inadvertantly proved the anti-aerobics stance. Jumping rope does NOT fit into the definition of aerobic. Aerobic is along sustained, low intensity activity. Robe jumping for one minute intervals is most definitely ANerobic -- closer to weight lifting where the HR jumps up quickly but only for a short while, which is MUCH BETTER for heart strength. Weight training IS cardio! (but prentend I didn't say that or all the pro-aerobicisers heads will explode).

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god bless you NELSON.

after reading your posts i decided to cut out cardio ENTIRELY!

the only form of training other than weights is jump roping routines in one minute intervals.

was 192, 16% bodyfat on January 20th, 2002.

now 192, 9% bodyfat on March 25th, 2003.

IN JUST UNDER 10 WEEKS!

sustanon and thermos were along side but i owe you some of that brother.

thanks again.

 

[FreakMonster]

Debaser--

You probably won't be all the way into ketosis. However, a couple or three capsules of r-ala will help get you there. I have posted here about a.m. sprints with ala and sauna. Now that gets a guy ripped.

Sprints and light, high rep squats are the best exercises to get ripped. It's just that simple.

Wait...I can get more accurate than that: Sprints and high rep squats are the best exercises for ME to get ripped.

There we go.

How many sprints do you do and for how long?

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

From my experiences I have kept more muscle and looked better doing almost no cardio and just watching my diet. I am genetically fairly lean anyway, but when I start doing a lot of cardio I go flat as hell. I'm also 6'2 so it's easy for me to look stringy, I don't need that. Kind of contradicting myself, but if I was to try to get real lean (competition) I would do high intensity shorter sessions. Who wants to walk on a damn treadmill for 45 minutes and burn a few hundred calories when you can do high intensity and increase caloric burn all day. Not only that, it will make training larger muscle groups like legs and back easier. JMHO.