CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[Nelson Montana]

And one should ask themselves this:

Why is it that if I present an opposing view, along with a cogent argument and logical assertions, that I'm trolling?

You see boldman, my writings have helped many people -- many not as mch as yours, but still quite a lot.

Anabolick: The reason you're flat is beacue your muscles have lost glycogen. On the other hand, some people think they look "leaner" after cardio because they sweat, are a bit dehydrated and sodium depleted and they can see the muscles more clearly.

I don't want to come off like I'm whining (which I'm sure I'll be accused of) but I'm getting a little tired of all this "piling on." I'm sure he majority of people who enjoy my posts read them, ignore the detractors, and move on. But every day I have to endure accusations and name calling and personal attacks -- often from people with marginal comprehension abilities.
And the reason is clear. Some people don't want to have to think. They just want to believe what they've decided to believe. And they want to find other people who agree with them.

But my job is to call it as I see it. And I've seen quite a lot, thank you.

So agree, or disagree, or go on some thread that discussed the merits of cypionate over enanthate and stay away from topics that may be interesting to the more curious. I'm all for a difference of opinion but I am really sick and tired of these ass-wipes who come on and just shit all over a thread with their hostility.

 

[Peyomp]

Its trolling because of your attitude.

You like to stir up controversy (which is fine), and cause scandals by being rude, because it sells you more books.

Anyone with a double digit IQ can see that Nelson. Personally, I don't care, because the debates are useful to me, even if you are rude as shit.

 

[gtaman]

Some quick points.

Aerobics burn carbs. Not fat. The "targeted heart rate" theory has been proven wrong. When subjected to long duration stress your body is more likely to burn protein before it burns fat

Your credentials for asserting this are what? Did anyone ever overtrain on 30 minutes of treadmill walking? I doubt any of us are counseling marathon running.

Having more muscle burns more fat. Aerobics break down muscle.

Aerobics burn calories. If calorie deficit is high, some muscle as well as some fat will be burned. The only way around that is diet and drugs, with a heavier emphasis on drugs the more you want to cheat the basic laws of biochemistry. "Keeping muscle" is not so hard if you decrease carb calories gradually.

The "muscle burning more fat" theory is largely a myth. Larger bodies (even if they are fat, not muscle) require more calories to maintain current weight (and BF) levels. Muscle does not "burn" fat in any significant amount. Just ask anyone who is pretty sedentary outside of a little HIT lifting. They're usually fat. Few people can get all the exercise they need in three weightlifting sessions a week.

Below a certain BF %, dietary adjustments are needed to lose any more fat, but at first, extra cardio is very effective in getting you there, and long term, most people are bad at accomplishing this with diet alone (or drugs that suppress appetite).

See www.ultimatedietsecrets.com for more info... you might learn something.

Ultimately you cannot reject the need for more exercise if your goal is to burn fat. Nelson, you turn your weight sessions into cardio workouts (circuit training) and then claim that cardio is useless. I suppose this is you trying to sound cool for the 15-year-olds and weekend lifters to whom your book is targeted.

You're doing cardio. And it all comes down to duration, frequency, and intensity. Calories are being burned.

Why should we listen to you again?

 

[HULKSTER]

HEY NELSON:

Whatever happened to that thieving jerkoff MohawkMuscle?

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Uh...Nelson is right on this one, guys.

And I personally don't see any highbrow attitude from him on this thread.

How can a recruited muscle distinguish a certain exercise as illegitimate?

Why does the heart burn faster when we get on a treadmill?

Is it because it knows there is a treadmill involved? Or is it because we are recruiting our muscles in a way that exceeds normal day to day activity?

Hmm. Does weightlifting require more oxygen, hence more blood, pumped to the recruited muscle?

Okay then.

So a sustained regimen should elevate the heart rate. And it does. Squats and sprints are practically synonomous.

Those of you who think you are getting lean without cardio are incorrectly defining cardio. ALL exercise is cardiovascular. Its just that some exercise puts more emphasis on muscular resistance, and other exercise emphasises repeated recruitment.

Nelson already correctly stated this.

And his 'attitude' is simply the knowledge that he is correct. There is such a thing as being right.

 

[naturally anabolic]

i like playing in the sandbox does that count?

 

[kronk]

Do any of you ever do cardio for fun? Like taking a hike, or going canoeing for the weekend, or on a bike ride with your kids?

It may not do anything for your physique, but it could work wonders for your attitude.

Go outside and play.

Damn straight Spatts.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Absolutely spatts. But that wasn't the
issue. In fact, the issue unfortunately went beyond the risks/beneifts of cardio and into a barrage of disparagment -- as has been the case too often on these boards lately.

Fshredded, thank you -- not for being in agreement, but for articulating your response so well. And the point you bring up is invaluable. It's time for people to realize that just because an activity or a piece of equipment has the term "aerobic" to it, the heart isn't going to suddenly react in a manner any differently than other forms of exercise.

And regarding opinions: Everyone is entitled to them, but they are not all equal. If someone believes the sun revolves around the earth, that's an "opinion" and they're entitled to it. But it's still wrong.


Let's try and keep the debates an exercise in logic -- not a free-for-all of sarcasim.

Okay, I'm gong to take spatts advice. It's up to 50 degrees in New York and it's time to go out and ride my bike -- you know, the kind that actually goes somewhere.

 

[sk*]

Absolutely spatts. But that wasn't the
issue. In fact, the issue unfortunately went beyond the risks/beneifts of cardio and into a barrage of disparagment -- as has been the case too often on these boards lately.

Fshredded, thank you -- not for being in agreement, but for articulating your response so well. And the point you bring up is invaluable. It's time for people to realize that just because an activity or a piece of equipment has the term "aerobic" to it, the heart isn't going to suddenly react in a manner any differently than other forms of exercise.

And regarding opinions: Everyone is entitled to them, but they are not all equal. If someone believes the sun revolves around the earth, that's an "opinion" and they're entitled to it. But it's still wrong.


Let's try and keep the debates an exercise in logic -- not a free-for-all of sarcasim.

Okay, I'm gong to take spatts advice. It's up to 50 degrees in New York and it's time to go out and ride my bike -- you know, the kind that actually goes somewhere.

Well, most people here workout for about 45-60mins right? Out of that time around 80% is probably rest. Seriously, how many minutes of activity is there in lifting?

No doubt that lifting burns calories though, question is weather it is enough or not? Now maybe if you said something like go to the gym for 4hours ... that would change the views on your opinions, but then again it would raise other conflits.

Just my opinion though.

-sk

 

[Golfer18--old]

Nelson I guess you were going to work on that bike with your shirt off on your website?


Cardio works wonders. It never amazes me that all these studies are posted but that doesn't mean jack shit unless every person has the same genetics. What works for me might not work for you. So lets stop with the bullshit on who is wrong and who is right. We all know what works for us. Pointless thread that will never be answered because everyone is different.