Bulking Cycle For First Cycle

[hehateme000]

Morning: 4 cups milk
2 scoops ON serious mass

OR
3 eggs
2 pieces toast
3 cups milk
fruit

Calories: 1,810 (!) or 860

Pre W/O: Gatorade (just to have carbs in me because im still full from the morning shake haha)

Calories: 125

Post W/O: 3 Scoops Big Blast Super Plasma Protein Mix
2.5 tbsp flaxseed
2 cups milk
Banana
Gatorade

Calories: 950

Brunch: chicken strips
vegetable plate
1/2 bag peanuts OR Almonds
V8 drink (i like this drink because its 100% juice with fruits and veggies)

Calories: 900

Afternoon: 2 pieces whole wheat bread
Protein bar
2 servings carrots
other 1/2 bag of peanuts


Calories: 1015

Dinner: Broccoli
Beef Tri-tip Pot roast or Fish and Chicken
Mashed Potatoes or Brown rice
2 cups milk

Calories: 1,070

Late Night: 4 pieces whole grain white bread
Broccoli (10 stems)
2 cups milk
V8 100% juice drink OR piece of fruit

Calories: 860

And ill take some fish oil, DX7 or Animal Pak (ive always like animal pak nelson but ill look at the DX7 idk anything about it), and my other supps like UNLEASHED, VIGOR, and laetrile (vitamin b-17, my moms husband that died before i was born was a doctor that gave people laetrile instead of kemo and he got thrown in jail numerous times by the government and he got fined millions because the government wants kemo to stay---kinda sad )

 

[chris69]

HEHATE---- What is it with the "HA,HA" all the time..you cycleing laughing gas...
Maybe because we had some run in's on the other forum i feel alittle hostile, But i swear if your not asking a wacky question your making things harder than they are......i hope you don't work because it looks like youve got 24hrs worth of cooking there !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( HA<HA )

 

[hehateme000]

chris i have no idea what ur talkin about bro! why do i say haha?? idk to show that im laughing like its a smily face or somethin?? i do work thats why im takin in more shakes than usual. and how am i makin things harder than they are.

 

[alexl2]

HEHATE---- What is it with the "HA,HA" all the time..you cycleing laughing gas...
Maybe because we had some run in's on the other forum i feel alittle hostile, But i swear if your not asking a wacky question your making things harder than they are......i hope you don't work because it looks like youve got 24hrs worth of cooking there !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( HA<HA )

Relax bro, if you don't like his threads, don't post.

 

[SaladFork]

I don't see 24 hours worth of cooking in his diet. how long does it take to cook some eggs, chicken strips or beef tips? Maybe 30 min for all that total...

 

[chris69]

I don't see 24 hours worth of cooking in his diet. how long does it take to cook some eggs, chicken strips or beef tips? Maybe 30 min for all that total...

Just to sum up what im talking about- TRIZO" it seems to me like i can get all the nutrition in that Huge menu w/ half as much prep/and size of those meals... is there a ton of cooking there? mabe not, but after doing this for years i try and find the Best/econimical/ easiest way to go about what i am trying to acomplish !
Alexl- maybe i do need to relax a bit..Sorry..the thing is i feel like Bro's come on here, make 100 threads or post in 1 wk, and they could of answered most of there own questions if they read for a week instead of posting thread Questions ! i have been active on these boards for years and i did have to start some were, (and when i did that i caught hell), so i guess im just on the other side now............. Sum this all up to i may be a lil uptight, and also kinda frustrated w/ the kids that have been on here over the last month
( not that you or HEHATE is are kids ) posting and asking rediculois shit ! i take this stuff serios and I have to go threw all the retarded threads to try and find a decent one that i can learn from or answer a guinuine question to .
W/ all that and the cycle i might be having a high strung day !

 

[hehateme000]

dude chris seriously thats not bad at all thats a better diet than 95% of the american people so chill out. i didnt say it was perfect, i jus wanted to post a bulking diet. Its pretty healthy too, and the reason that theres no cooking is 1) i go to school 2) i dont know how to cook anything besides eggs and heat some shit up on the fry pan

 

[chris69]

dude chris seriously thats not bad at all thats a better diet than 95% of the american people so chill out. i didnt say it was perfect, i jus wanted to post a bulking diet. Its pretty healthy too, and the reason that theres no cooking is 1) i go to school 2) i dont know how to cook anything besides eggs and heat some shit up on the fry pan

It's over bro, you just rub me the wrong way, Forget about it !

 

[hurricane]

dam 4 pieces of bread in the last meal? guess u bulkin so u dont care .. still to much for me .. add sum protein in late nite meal ..i put protein in every meal ..either protein/carbs or protein/fat ..maybe even a mix of the 3 if seriously bulkin but protein is always the base

 

[hehateme000]

It's over bro, you just rub me the wrong way, Forget about it !

^^^ alright BRO

hurricane i was wondein if i should make it casein protein since its long digestining? or does it really matter?

 

[Burning_Inside]

whats your bodyfat at the start of this bulk? if youre already at 12% or so, it's kinda pointles uless you justw anna be a big fat pwerlifter type.

 

[chris69]

whats your bodyfat at the start of this bulk? if youre already at 12% or so, it's kinda pointles uless you justw anna be a big fat pwerlifter type.

Burn---- i didnt understand that...Do you think at 12% We should be carful ? Because im getting a little worried, i'm in the process of a 15 lb gain now, and i know i went from 11% to 13% in the last 5 wks..I'm fuckin freekin about the BF, maybe i aught to clean it up more, and slow down my gains and make them clean ones now before i have to much work later huh ? Just started my final 6 wks..added tren to it ! Done w/ the dianabol kick.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Get rid of the gatorade for preworkout and subsitute a slower digesting carb.

Add a higher glycemic food source for postworkout instead of the bananna. I believe it is only about 55 for a GI. Shoot for something in the 70-90 range. Try rice cakes (puffed rice in general), a bagel, or google a glycemic index list and pick something u like.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Burn---- i didnt understand that...Do you think at 12% We should be carful ? Because im getting a little worried, i'm in the process of a 15 lb gain now, and i know i went from 11% to 13% in the last 5 wks..I'm fuckin freekin about the BF, maybe i aught to clean it up more, and slow down my gains and make them clean ones now before i have to much work later huh ? Just started my final 6 wks..added trenbolone to it ! Done w/ the dianabol kick.

All i know is that for one, studies have shown that the higher past 12% bf you get, the more your body wants to partition nutrients towards fat cells rather than muscle gain. I'm not sure of all the specifics, I read a study on pubmed.com about it one time, i dont even know what to search for on that site to find it, maybe try googling keywords like bulking, study, fat gain, ..I really don't know, just take my word for it I read it somewhere at some point.

Secondly, you just end up looking like shit if you decide to bulk when you're already, from a bodybuilding perspective, considered to be "bulked" as it is at 12% ish. I mean if you can't see your abs as it is, why bother? Just shred down using (my favorite method) cyclic keto dieting till you get to 7% ish and then slowly start bulking back up to 10%, shred back down, rinse repeat. The trick is doing it perfectly so you dont lose too much muscle while dieting or getting too fat while bulking, but no one said this shit's easy for the genetically normal.

 

[chris69]

[, but no one said this shit's easy for the genetically normal.[/QUOTE]


I'm 1/2 way thru cycle, BF went way up in the last , so what does somone sagest doing while still on? Keep it super clean?Should i lower cal intake or will this fuck up muscle gain ? Add the cardio?

 

[Burning_Inside]

[, but no one said this shit's easy for the genetically normal.

I'm 1/2 way thru cycle, BF went way up in the last , so what does somone sagest doing while still on? Keep it super clean?Should i lower cal intake or will this fuck up muscle gain ? Add the cardio?[/QUOTE]

All adding cardio is going to is create a calorie defacit that you can just simply get by eating less.

Are you absolutely positive your bodyfat is going up?

If so then yeah, wether you're on or not, lower your calories. You really don't have to eat 5000 calories a day to grow. For instance OK I'm 6'3" and when I'm fully carb depleted and pretty much drained of ecess water, I weigh 175 at last weigh in, and I'm dieting on under 1000 calories daily. Granted I don't do this for long periods of time before I refeed for a couple days, but what I'm saying is for example, for someone of my build, if I have to cut on that little, do you think I'd have to eat even 3000 calories a day to bulk? It's just my honest opinion that from experience... Unless you're heavily geared out.. That the numbers that people toss around on these forums that are needed to bulk are so fucking far in excess it's just stupid.

Just cut back on your calories, I know it's probably a psychological hurdle to overcome cause you're probably brainwashed to thnk that you need those cals or you wont grow muscle, but if you're putting on too much fat what do you expect to do to rectify it? yeah you put on fat anytime you bulk, but shit, there's a point when you know that you're putting on too much especially while geared up.

You know what I recommend even further, treating your diet like you were dieting, eat pristine, but just in greater amounts. For some reason peolpe get this notion that it's OK to eat like a slop when you're bulking and geared up and eating "good" is only for when you're dieting. Try and get almost all of your fats from omega oil liquid, like 2 tbsp daily or something, and the trace fats in meat, and eat like 300 grams of protein daily, whatever room you have left over for carbs, time them before and after your workouts. Shoot for eating at 13x your bodyweight in cals for a couple weeks and see what happens.

 

[chris69]

I'm 1/2 way thru cycle, BF went way up in the last , so what does somone sagest doing while still on? Keep it super clean?Should i lower cal intake or will this fuck up muscle gain ? Add the cardio?

All adding cardio is going to is create a calorie defacit that you can just simply get by eating less.

Are you absolutely positive your bodyfat is going up?

If so then yeah, wether you're on or not, lower your calories. You really don't have to eat 5000 calories a day to grow. For instance OK I'm 6'3" and when I'm fully carb depleted and pretty much drained of ecess water, I weigh 175 at last weigh in, and I'm dieting on under 1000 calories daily. Granted I don't do this for long periods of time before I refeed for a couple days, but what I'm saying is for example, for someone of my build, if I have to cut on that little, do you think I'd have to eat even 3000 calories a day to bulk? It's just my honest opinion that from experience... Unless you're heavily geared out.. That the numbers that people toss around on these forums that are needed to bulk are so fucking far in excess it's just stupid.

Just cut back on your calories, I know it's probably a psychological hurdle to overcome cause you're probably brainwashed to thnk that you need those cals or you wont grow muscle, but if you're putting on too much fat what do you expect to do to rectify it? yeah you put on fat anytime you bulk, but shit, there's a point when you know that you're putting on too much especially while geared up.

You know what I recommend even further, treating your diet like you were dieting, eat pristine, but just in greater amounts. For some reason peolpe get this notion that it's OK to eat like a slop when you're bulking and geared up and eating "good" is only for when you're dieting. Try and get almost all of your fats from omega oil liquid, like 2 tbsp daily or something, and the trace fats in meat, and eat like 300 grams of protein daily, whatever room you have left over for carbs, time them before and after your workouts. Shoot for eating at 13x your bodyweight in cals for a couple weeks and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
I like your style, all well put ! i was controling Bloat ect...for 1/2 the cycle, then suddenly i felt like all hell broke loose ! my bf now is aprox 13 %, I'm 5'6", and current;ly 175 lbs, so if i can get down to atleast 9-10 % i'll be happy...Lets try your way for a couple weeks. i also bought a Food scale to help me Know how many cals of protein im eating ect.... i always buy chicken/salmon/steak/pork in 20lb bags, so i have to package my meals. the scale will help !

 

[Burning_Inside]

I like your style, all well put ! i was controling Bloat ect...for 1/2 the cycle, then suddenly i felt like all hell broke loose ! my bf now is aprox 13 %, I'm 5'6", and current;ly 175 lbs, so if i can get down to atleast 9-10 % i'll be happy...Lets try your way for a couple weeks. i also bought a Food scale to help me Know how many cals of protein im eating ect.... i always buy chicken/salmon/steak/pork in 20lb bags, so i have to package my meals. the scale will help !

cool hope things go well for ya.

 

[hehateme000]

Get rid of the gatorade for preworkout and subsitute a slower digesting carb.

Add a higher glycemic food source for postworkout instead of the bananna. I believe it is only about 55 for a GI. Shoot for something in the 70-90 range. Try rice cakes (puffed rice in general), a bagel, or google a glycemic index list and pick something u like.

alright so maybe a shake right before and a bagel with peanut butter after??

 

[chris69]

alright so maybe a shake right before and a bagel with peanut butter after??

You want the bread products to be 100% whole wheat, not some complex shit, Like walmart bagles !

 

[hehateme000]

You want the bread products to be 100% whole wheat, not some complex shit, Like walmart bagles !

^^^ for sure chris im all about whole wheat. i never eat white anymore thanks to my mom raisin me on whole wheat and shit its wheat everytime!

 

[Burning_Inside]

^^^ for sure chris im all about whole wheat. i never eat white anymore thanks to my mom raisin me on whole wheat and shit its wheat everytime!

Pizza done on a whole wheat crust however is gross.

 

[chris69]

Pizza done on a whole wheat crust however is gross.

Save for a cheat meal i guess ! I do once a week, 1 meal !

 

[chris69]

cool hope things go well for ya.

Well as far as me thinking my BF went way up, i now think i was wrong. i now believe it went up a little but it was mostly bloat. the last two days been clean/clean and less cals, my mid section went way down in just that time period.