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Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
whats your bodyfat at the start of this bulk? if youre already at 12% or so, it's kinda pointles uless you justw anna be a big fat pwerlifter type.
chris69
Banned
Burn---- i didnt understand that...Do you think at 12% We should be carful ? Because im getting a little worried, i'm in the process of a 15 lb gain now, and i know i went from 11% to 13% in the last 5 wks..I'm fuckin freekin about the BF, maybe i aught to clean it up more, and slow down my gains and make them clean ones now before i have to much work later huh ? Just started my final 6 wks..added tren to it ! Done w/ the dianabol kick.Burning_Inside said:
Get rid of the gatorade for preworkout and subsitute a slower digesting carb.
Add a higher glycemic food source for postworkout instead of the bananna. I believe it is only about 55 for a GI. Shoot for something in the 70-90 range. Try rice cakes (puffed rice in general), a bagel, or google a glycemic index list and pick something u like.
Add a higher glycemic food source for postworkout instead of the bananna. I believe it is only about 55 for a GI. Shoot for something in the 70-90 range. Try rice cakes (puffed rice in general), a bagel, or google a glycemic index list and pick something u like.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
chris69 said:
All i know is that for one, studies have shown that the higher past 12% bf you get, the more your body wants to partition nutrients towards fat cells rather than muscle gain. I'm not sure of all the specifics, I read a study on pubmed.com about it one time, i dont even know what to search for on that site to find it, maybe try googling keywords like bulking, study, fat gain, ..I really don't know, just take my word for it I read it somewhere at some point.
Secondly, you just end up looking like shit if you decide to bulk when you're already, from a bodybuilding perspective, considered to be "bulked" as it is at 12% ish. I mean if you can't see your abs as it is, why bother? Just shred down using (my favorite method) cyclic keto dieting till you get to 7% ish and then slowly start bulking back up to 10%, shred back down, rinse repeat. The trick is doing it perfectly so you dont lose too much muscle while dieting or getting too fat while bulking, but no one said this shit's easy for the genetically normal.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
chris69 said:
I'm 1/2 way thru cycle, BF went way up in the last , so what does somone sagest doing while still on? Keep it super clean?Should i lower cal intake or will this fuck up muscle gain ? Add the cardio?[/QUOTE]
All adding cardio is going to is create a calorie defacit that you can just simply get by eating less.
Are you absolutely positive your bodyfat is going up?
If so then yeah, wether you're on or not, lower your calories. You really don't have to eat 5000 calories a day to grow. For instance OK I'm 6'3" and when I'm fully carb depleted and pretty much drained of ecess water, I weigh 175 at last weigh in, and I'm dieting on under 1000 calories daily. Granted I don't do this for long periods of time before I refeed for a couple days, but what I'm saying is for example, for someone of my build, if I have to cut on that little, do you think I'd have to eat even 3000 calories a day to bulk? It's just my honest opinion that from experience... Unless you're heavily geared out.. That the numbers that people toss around on these forums that are needed to bulk are so fucking far in excess it's just stupid.
Just cut back on your calories, I know it's probably a psychological hurdle to overcome cause you're probably brainwashed to thnk that you need those cals or you wont grow muscle, but if you're putting on too much fat what do you expect to do to rectify it? yeah you put on fat anytime you bulk, but shit, there's a point when you know that you're putting on too much especially while geared up.
You know what I recommend even further, treating your diet like you were dieting, eat pristine, but just in greater amounts. For some reason peolpe get this notion that it's OK to eat like a slop when you're bulking and geared up and eating "good" is only for when you're dieting. Try and get almost all of your fats from omega oil liquid, like 2 tbsp daily or something, and the trace fats in meat, and eat like 300 grams of protein daily, whatever room you have left over for carbs, time them before and after your workouts. Shoot for eating at 13x your bodyweight in cals for a couple weeks and see what happens.
chris69
Banned
Burning_Inside said:
All adding cardio is going to is create a calorie defacit that you can just simply get by eating less.
Are you absolutely positive your bodyfat is going up?
If so then yeah, wether you're on or not, lower your calories. You really don't have to eat 5000 calories a day to grow. For instance OK I'm 6'3" and when I'm fully carb depleted and pretty much drained of ecess water, I weigh 175 at last weigh in, and I'm dieting on under 1000 calories daily. Granted I don't do this for long periods of time before I refeed for a couple days, but what I'm saying is for example, for someone of my build, if I have to cut on that little, do you think I'd have to eat even 3000 calories a day to bulk? It's just my honest opinion that from experience... Unless you're heavily geared out.. That the numbers that people toss around on these forums that are needed to bulk are so fucking far in excess it's just stupid.
Just cut back on your calories, I know it's probably a psychological hurdle to overcome cause you're probably brainwashed to thnk that you need those cals or you wont grow muscle, but if you're putting on too much fat what do you expect to do to rectify it? yeah you put on fat anytime you bulk, but shit, there's a point when you know that you're putting on too much especially while geared up.
You know what I recommend even further, treating your diet like you were dieting, eat pristine, but just in greater amounts. For some reason peolpe get this notion that it's OK to eat like a slop when you're bulking and geared up and eating "good" is only for when you're dieting. Try and get almost all of your fats from omega oil liquid, like 2 tbsp daily or something, and the trace fats in meat, and eat like 300 grams of protein daily, whatever room you have left over for carbs, time them before and after your workouts. Shoot for eating at 13x your bodyweight in cals for a couple weeks and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
I like your style, all well put ! i was controling Bloat ect...for 1/2 the cycle, then suddenly i felt like all hell broke loose ! my bf now is aprox 13 %, I'm 5'6", and current;ly 175 lbs, so if i can get down to atleast 9-10 % i'll be happy...Lets try your way for a couple weeks. i also bought a Food scale to help me Know how many cals of protein im eating ect.... i always buy chicken/salmon/steak/pork in 20lb bags, so i have to package my meals. the scale will help !
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
cool hope things go well for ya.chris69 said:
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hehateme000
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8and20 said:
alright so maybe a shake right before and a bagel with peanut butter after??
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