4AD 2nd Week

[notpuff]

I think topical is the only way to go with 4-AD for a cycle. However, I do use 400mg of the oral right before a workout for the CNS effect and to combat the post workout test crash. Plus, it's out of the sytem so quickly it doesn't suppress your natural test.

andro does work but its hard to get into blood

 

[riskybizz007]

I've been taking big doses of it for it to have any effect at all. As far as strength increases i can't comment b/c i've changed my workout this week. I'm doing exercises very very slow up and down. Like 5 sec. up and 5sec. down. Depends on exercise, some are longer some shorter. Still going heavy just a different approach. I like to keep changing things, better progress that way too IMO.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Before curling w/ 105pounds, Yesturday curled 145
Before French for Triceps was 105, today was 145
Smith for Chest before was 320, today hit 500
Leg press before was 540, yesterday hit 810.
Bench was 275, hit 315 today.

riskybizz007 -

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm having a really hard time buying this. You've increase your poundages on the Smith machine and the leg press by nearly 50% in 2 weeks??? I've never heard of anything remotely approaching these sorts of gains with regards to anyone but a rank beginner. The increase in bench is incredible alone, but seems possible. And with all these strength gains, you've had NO, I repeat NO increase in bodyweight. Can you understand my skepticism?

 

[riskybizz007]

I hear what you're saying bro. I know that those 2 days were exceptionally good days. On good days one can always lift more, at least w/ me i can. I did notice one thing in those 2 days, I increased doseage a lot in a short amount of time right before the gym. It gave me an aggressiveness i've never felt before, and like i stated earlier i was working balls to the walls and didn't want to go home. I just felt incredibly strong. I also had my bro working out w/ me and me and him are always competing, so that added more fuel to the fire. I'd say the andro did help a bit, but there were other factors to take into consideration as well. Before those 2 days i had been training by myself and was in a bit of plateu. No matter what i always lift more when i work out w/ my bro, b/c we are very competitve and push eachother a lot. The andro helped out a great deal w/ aggressiveness and some strength, and besides that i was having 2 great friggin days. I haven't tried working out like that since then, maybe next week, if i do i'll report my results. I know i'm still stronger b/c although i'm doing weights very slowly i'm doing heavy weights w/ it. I think the andro helps out w/ strength and recovery, and sometimes w/ aggressiveness.

 

[Blood&Iron]

That makes a bit more sense. I've still got to believe that you reduced your ROM, speeded up your cadence, something, and you didn't realize 'cause you were so psyched. That combined with less than intense workouts preceding it make the gains seem a little more possible. If working out with your brother produces this sort of increase in poundages, I've got some advice: do every workout with your brother.

 

[riskybizz007]

bro when i was working out w/ the guy, all my weights went up, i had my biggest gains ever in weight, strength, and muscle increase. It was about 8 weeks in summer, we gave new definition to "balls to the wall" training. We would walk out of there barely able to make it to the car. 3-4/week maximum, and we grew, had pretty good gains, and was all natural. Hopefully i can do it agian this christmas break for at least a few weeks.

 

[fhg43]

I'm doing mostly 4AD in my cycle (~1000mg oral and 400mg topical/ED at peak dosage) and it is helping me a lot. I know I am packing on muscle and getting on stronger. Its not a lot, but the difference is noticeable and gains are real.

I'm sure gear is better (duh) and not everyone responds to prohormones positively, but IMO if you do your research and create a good cycle (obviously combined with solid training), you can get good gains from PHs. Their are plenty of people on this board who'd agree.

I'm sure some homo will flame me "Get on the gear and don't look back...blah blah blah" Whatever I'm happy with my results. PHs are working for me. No offense to my juiced up bros-I mean we're all entitled to our opinions. I feel like too many guys post negative non-constructive BS posts on the supp board and snobbishly look down on PH users. It's lesson numero uno in athletic training 101; everybody will respond differently to different shit.

I'M TAKIN AST 4AD AND PROUD OF IT!!! hehehehe

FHG
(taking a little too much 4AD by the looks of the post)

 

[notpuff]

why dont u inject the 4ad

 

[pa1ad]

why dont u inject the 4ad

4-AD is not heroin. It is not water soluble so you just can't dissolve it in water and "shoot it up"

You can't really dissolve it in oil in any appreciable quantity either because it is not soluble enough

You can't make an aqueous suspension because that technology is beyond everyone short of an experienced pharmaceutical chemist with a proper laboratory

You CAN dissolve it to some extent in propylene glycol (or similar solvent(s)), but then the shot would probably hurt very badly and leave an abcess. You may get a fever and flu like symptoms too

These are the reasons why nobody injects 4-AD

 

[notpuff]

The guy who makes the fina kits has a universal kit which will turn any powder into a injectable he says even prohormones