Why do people here bag on cutting cycle's and low body fat %??

[IronLion]

the reason we don't respect you is because you keep asking the same fucking questions again and again even though people give you good solid advice.

as for your goals, I don't see why you need all this advice to achieve them, you are wasting everyones time, go on a diet and SHUT THE FUCK UP

 

[JOKER47]

This IS pointless. I never said I was trying to be a supreme athlete or compete, I just want to do what I want to do, and that's reach a goal of 210-220 at 5-7% is that so wrong. I was being harassed for that goal and for wanting to look good instead of be a top competitor in some sport. I respect big strong guys for the weight they can move, I guess I'm asking for the impossible, MUTUAL RESPECT. I'm just pissed that the big guys think the littler guys with lean bodyfat aren't really doing things right, that mentality of superiority is fucking lame. Go eat another 8000 calories and deadlift 900 pounds there will always be someone stronger. See I can be an asshole too.

You weren't being "harassed" for wanting to look good or for being a "bodybuillder". You ran into folks who took offense to the fact that you appeared to come across a bit negative with your initial posts.

I think you are on the same wavelength as everyone else, in that "to each their own", is the bottom line. You just expressed that in a way that most people took as a challenge to their own beliefs.

No one here is looking for a fight. (Now the NCLifter is gone.) Just good discussion.

Joker

 

[sk*]

6'3'' at 220 with single digit bf sounds good, I was there at 15 years old, guess what? I got much more attention at 270 at 10 percent so if you are doing it for those resons you better realize that you will look like a skinny teenager until you hit 250....lol

btw this whole thing about chicks digging abs is true. If you want to pull average women with no originality or uniqueness then you show off that six pack.

Working out as a lifestyle just to please females just shows insecurity. That's just horrible imo. A lot of people will hit the gym just so they look "toned" whatever the fuck that means, but that isn't their lifestyle so whatever.

-sk

 

[Debaser]

On a side note...when I competed in Karate...the heavy weight class began at 186 pounds... and VERY few guys could ever beat me. Brian Ruth was about the only person who could beat me on a consistent basis and he was the National Champion 10 years straight (200 pounds and no abs showing). At a bodyweight of 265 I could give him about all that he wanted...I could push him harder than anyone else on the circuit...

B fold with all due respect (and there is a lot of it trust me), that's not quite what I was getting at. This is not a comparison of 2 guys with all kinds of variables (including the supreme one: skill), one having a higher bodyfat than the other. Igor Vovchanchin (sp), with his 20+% bodyfat would mangle a young, ripped newcomer. But that's not what I'm saying at all. Instead, consider this: which Igor would be better in the ring?

Igor before: 240 @ 20% bodyfat
Igor after: 240 @ 10% bodyfat

What possible advantage would the first one have? This is not Igor with 30 lbs more of fat that he can use as leverage as another fighter, this is him at the exact same weight with considerably more muscle and strength.

I was simply questioning the reluctance of some fighters to drop fat and yet remain in their weight class by replacing it with muscle. It could only lead to a stronger fighter. 205lb 8% Tito Ortiz is going to be more of a force than a 205lb 30% [hypothetical] version, for obvious reasons. Even if the differences aren't quite that drastic, every little bit can count in the ring.

 

[louden_swain]

I just want to do what I want to do, and that's reach a goal of 210-220 at 5-7% is that so wrong.

Diet and hard training. . .its that simple


I was being harassed for that goal and for wanting to look good instead of be a top competitor in some sport.

You shouldn't care what other people think.

I'm just pissed that the big guys think the littler guys with lean bodyfat aren't really doing things right, that mentality of superiority is fucking lame. .

Again, shouldn't worry about what other people think.

Everyone trains differently, but do what works best for you. If everyone thinks I am some bodybuilder who doesn't train for strength or put on extra bodyfat, then fuck them!!! They couldn't be further from the truth. Plus, it shouldn't be their concern anyway or neither should it be my concern on what others are doing in the gym.

The key is, stick to your own business.

 

[Debaser]

btw this whole thing about chicks digging abs is true. If you want to pull average women with no originality or uniqueness then you show off that six pack.

I belive it is the same for a mma. You can't take shots to the body when you have a bf that is too low, it fucking hurts.

1. I would agree there. However sometimes I DO just want to get laid. I'm not always looking for girlfriend material.

2. See that makes sense, I didn't even think about that before.

 

[JOKER47]

Working out as a lifestyle just to please females just shows insecurity. That's just horrible imo. A lot of people will hit the gym just so they look "toned" whatever the fuck that means, but that isn't their lifestyle so whatever.

-sk

Just cause this subject came up, I personally would value the admiration of the guys on this board who know what it takes to bech 405, deadlift 500, OHP 275 or squat 600, rather than ladies who ogle pretty abs.

Just my .02 on that particular subject,
Joker

 

[sk*]

Just cause this subject came up, I personally would value the admiration of the guys on this board who know what it takes to bech 405, deadlift 500, OHP 275 or squat 600, rather than ladies who ogle pretty abs.

Just my .02 on that particular subject,
Joker

I definetely agree with you, but many people will still continue saying "I rather get laid with many girls." Whatever, to each their own.

-sk

 

[revexrevex]

It comes down to PERSONAL PRIORITIES.

 

[CobraUTAH]

IL your superiorty complex is unreal. So anyone that isn't 250 or more is a skinny wimp right. Your a big strong bastard, we all know it and believe it, why put down the little guys. I couldn't get that big unless I juiced, I have a small frame and have made myself very happy with my accomplishments. Don't slam others for being slow developers just because your freak ass genetics made you huge at 12, we are all unique remember.

 

[JOKER47]

I definetely agree with you, but many people will still continue saying "I rather get laid with many girls." Whatever, to each their own.

-sk

Agreed.

My point was just my view, not a slam on anyone else's goals.


Joker

 

[IronLion]

Now you are pissing me off, I am through arguing with you. I have a superiority complex? I'll work on that, you go work on your inferiority complex. Some day when you have been doing this long enough, have the decency to apologize for how short sighted and ignorant you have been.

 

[louden_swain]

IL your superiorty complex is unreal. So anyone that isn't 250 or more is a skinny wimp right. Your a big strong bastard, we all know it and believe it, why put down the little guys. I couldn't get that big unless I juiced, I have a small frame and have made myself very happy with my accomplishments. Don't slam others for being slow developers just because your freak ass genetics made you huge at 12, we are all unique remember.

He didn't say that. . . .

IL is very helpful and supportive of people who train.

 

[spatts]

Cobra, you and IL obviously have an issue...for whatever reason. But could please stop refering to "this forum," "you guys," and other plural descriptions when stating how you feel about what IL has said to you? It's not fair to the whole forum to tell us how we behave and how we treat people, etc...based on the behavior of one person.

 

[BigBadBootyDaddy29]

Debaser, you're totally offbase. You completely missed the point of my post. The answer to all of your questions is yes, first of all. You shouldn't flame people you know nothing about, it makes you sound like an idiot. Being a slob and acting like a little bitch over some excess fat and water are two totally different things.

I didn't say that girls don't care about appearance, I said true athletes do what they do and train how they do for performance, not to get girls. Re-read the fucking post and get it the fuck right before you go out and say something dumb again.

The guys listing the names of all ripped athletes are missing the point too. Michael Johnson trains and eats in a manner which will help him PERFORM best, so does Jason Seahorn and so does Shannon Sharpe. It just so happens that a side effect of their performance training and eating is a ripped appearance. They don't strive to be ripped, they strive to perform their best. If they so happen to have a six pack due to their training and eating, then swell, it looks good, if they don't have a six pack, they don't care as long as their performance improves.

The point of my post is that elite athletes train for PERFORMANCE, I would bet you that Michael Johnson only cares about his times. He trains and eats in a way to improve him times, it just so happens that that also makes him appear ripped and lean. The guy doesn't stand in front of the mirror like some of the guys getting their panties in a bunch over my post and say "Damn, I am up to 8.205 and 1/2 % bodyfat, now my gay lover won't jack on my abs".....

I agree with the posts saying food is fuel. People feel weak and less-energized on a diet. Look at powerlifting. I think a lot of superheavies would stay at 309 lbs if they could take in the fuel to put up bigger numbers and stay there, but the fact is a side effect of taking in all that fuel could be weighing 325. Being fat helps nobody, but eating plenty and feeling energized does. I have seen many wrestlers drop weight classes thinking they will clean up, and it turns out they were so weak from not eating, that they end up getting smoked by a scrub with a fraction of their ability.

 

[b fold the truth]

This IS pointless. I never said I was trying to be a supreme athlete or compete, I just want to do what I want to do, and that's reach a goal of 210-220 at 5-7% is that so wrong. I was being harassed for that goal and for wanting to look good instead of be a top competitor in some sport. I respect big strong guys for the weight they can move, I guess I'm asking for the impossible, MUTUAL RESPECT. I'm just pissed that the big guys think the littler guys with lean bodyfat aren't really doing things right, that mentality of superiority is fucking lame. Go eat another 8000 calories and deadlift 900 pounds there will always be someone stronger. See I can be an asshole too.

YOU never said that YOU wanted to be a supreme athlete...but YOUR examples of people who were athletes with a low BF % are SUPREME ATHLETES.

B True

 

[CobraUTAH]

Joker show me my negative posts (I must have blacked out) because until my goals were put down I respected all the powerlifters here and for some reason after all this bullshit I still do. I don't want the admiration of these big lifters because I'll never be in the same leaque as them when it comes to strength. Again I'm sorry for asking the same question to many times or posting the same topic over and over, I guess posting deadlift PR's over and over is okay though right. I've seen far more questions and threads about deadlifts and squats and everything else, you guys just hate ab talk and that's cool but don't say that I ask the same questions over and over again because everyone here does.

Louden I don't care what these strong fat fucks think, they just ganged up on my skinny little weak ass for wanting to be lean, and it pissed me off.

 

[revexrevex]

never be in the same leaque as them when it comes to strength

DO you think they were born like this? Most of the big people here worked out for DECADES....... THATS 10 YEARS, EATTING, TRAINING, SLEEPING, LEARNING, SWEATING AND CRYING IN PAIN.

HOw long have you been working out? Go do your fucking cardio and be a skinny ass 155 pounder with ur fucking abs. It was interesting for a while but you're crossing the fucking line with your "strong fat fucks" comment

 

[spatts]

Cobra, you and IL obviously have an issue...for whatever reason. But could please stop refering to "this forum," "you guys," and other plural descriptions when stating how you feel about what IL has said to you? It's not fair to the whole forum to tell us how we behave and how we treat people, etc...based on the behavior of one person.