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trimojo

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I'm a triathlete finishing a season and trying to put on more muscle and lower my bodyfat.

Current stats: 5'5" 114 pounds, 13.5% body fat

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/biceps.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/back.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/legs2.jpg

I'm going to enjoy this experience because it's completely opposite of endurance training. I'm going to have to learn to eat very differently. Here we go!

7:00am- 10oz coffee with 2oz skim milk
7:30am- Vanilla protein shake w/10 blueberries and 1 apricot

8:30 am- 8 min. elliptical warm up
CHEST & TRICEPS

Incline Bench Press (3 sets) 12xbar, 12xbar, 12xbar
Dumbbell Chest Fly's (3 sets) 12x20lbs, 10x20lbs, 8x20lbs
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press (3 sets) 12x20lbs, 10x20lbs, 8x20lbs, 8x20lbs
Peck Deck Machine (5 sets) 12x30lbs, 12x25lbs, 12x25lbs, 12x20lbs, 12x20lbs
Chest Press Machine (3 sets) 8x60lbs, 10x55lbs, 10x55lbs


Tri's Standing Cable Pushdowns (3 sets) 12x30lbs, 12x30lbs, 12x35lbs
Skullcrushers (3 sets) 12xEZ bar, 12xEZ bar, 12x EZ bar
Dumbbell Donkey Kickbacks (3 sets) 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs
Seated Press (3 sets) 12x90lbs, 12x100lbs, 12x100lbs
Assisted Dip Machine (5 sets) 12x50lbs, 12x50lbs, 12x45lbs, 12x45lbs, 10x40lbs

I read that Shadow posted it's better to do cardio after weights. I ran 6.5 miles after lifting. I also need to swim today but after reading replies to my first post, I don't think I'm eating enough. Sometimes, I'm really ass dragging tired after long workouts. I decided to leave the gym to eat.

11:00am- 1/2 an apple
10 almonds

12:15- turkey, provolone cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles wrap

I'll head back to the gym in a hour or so for this swim workout and then eat again.
1300 yds total:
200 warm up
4 sets of:
100 hard/30 sec rest
75 hard/30 sec rest
50 hard/30 sec rest
200 easy cool down

3:00pm- Nectarine and 12 almonds
 
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Off & running (or swimming as the case may be!)

I'm just gonna venture that I think if you change your diet to support some mass building you're gonna get some really nice development - you've got some kickin' muscle already girl!
 
trimojo said:
I read that Shadow posted it's better to do cardio after weights.

...you took that slightly out of context.

The BEST time is AM on empty.


Its better to do it AFTER weights than before - but not ideal....ESPECIALLY if LBM is the goal.

If LBM is the goal you need to hit a protein/carb source immediately after the session(maybe during even), running AFTER weights is a great way to actually strip lbm
 
The Shadow said:
...you took that slightly out of context.

The BEST time is AM on empty.


Its better to do it AFTER weights than before - but not ideal....ESPECIALLY if LBM is the goal.

If LBM is the goal you need to hit a protein/carb source immediately after the session(maybe during even), running AFTER weights is a great way to actually strip lbm

Sorry, I didn't mean to misquote you Shadow. :worried:

Aaaaacccckk!! I feel so confuzzled trying to figure this body building stuff out! It's so opposite of all the endurance training I've done. I had to even google a word that Sassy used "hard-gainer".

So, ideally... If I do cardio 2 times a day. My run should be done first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, correct?

Then, if I consume something like a protein shake with fruit, could I immediately start lifting? Possibly lift while eating and drinking?

See, we have a farm and we live 15 miles outside of town. It saves me gas money the least amount of trips to the gym.

I would do a second cardio in the evening. Either a bike ride or swim. Breaking it up today and eating/resting before my swim helped. I was able to hammer out some fast sprints even on my last set. Normally, I'd run, weight train and swim. By the time I got to my last swim set, I'd want to quit or do the dead man's float.
 
trimojo said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to misquote you Shadow. :worried:

Aaaaacccckk!! I feel so confuzzled trying to figure this body building stuff out! It's so opposite of all the endurance training I've done. I had to even google a word that Sassy used "hard-gainer".

So, ideally... If I do cardio 2 times a day. My run should be done first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, correct?

Then, if I consume something like a protein shake with fruit, could I immediately start lifting? Possibly lift while eating and drinking?

See, we have a farm and we live 15 miles outside of town. It saves me gas money the least amount of trips to the gym.

I would do a second cardio in the evening. Either a bike ride or swim. Breaking it up today and eating/resting before my swim helped. I was able to hammer out some fast sprints even on my last set. Normally, I'd run, weight train and swim. By the time I got to my last swim set, I'd want to quit or do the dead man's float.


OK I think this got a little confusing -- and not to say you wont' find different schools of thought on the empty stomach cardio or not, but per Shadow, optimal fat burning is on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, or after weights. Here the idea is that you've burned thru most of your carb-based energy sources and you have sort of an "empty stomach" state when you get to the cardio part.

You threw in a twist w/ wanting to do cardio AND training in the morning if I understand correctly. This falls under the do cardio AFTER training, regardless of the fact that its first thing in the morning. But also then you don't want to train on an empty stomach - some people find they train better on an empty stomach, personally I get light headed and don't really have any energy for a good lifting session then. An alternative could be sipping a gatorade + protein mix sort of drink during your workout.

I'm a bit confused tho -- if this is the training you are doing while you are still during your race season, I sort of feel like if you aren't eating for running endurance vs "fat loss", its goign to impact the quality of your endurance training..... When your race season is over and if you choose then to pursue some mass building, then I'd make some changes in your training schedule that support mass building vs extended cardio sessions.
 
Well, I am struggling..

Add muscle and slow down?

I'm leaning toward body building right now. I'm tired tired of long hours of cardio at this time. I will not place in age group my last race, it will be a tough one. I will give it 100% of what I have at that time but it will not be enough. I had asked to be moved from novice to age group my last two races. Last month, I raced in the mountains and it wasn't pretty. It rained, I felt like a fucking goat climbing hills. I placed 5/7.

I have noticed that once I added more protein cut carbs, it's harder to run long. Is that because I don't have glycogen stores?

I'm ready to have fun and feel happy about my body. I'm tired of racing to win all the time.
 
How old are you? Tell me about your behind and fat deposits ther...Strange question I know but the triathletes I have seen, who do no weight training, and eat like if their cardio is the best calorie burner are not really lean and DO have cellulite...I am sorry if I am being too blunt.
 
florencia said:
How old are you? Tell me about your behind and fat deposits ther...Strange question I know but the triathletes I have seen, who do no weight training, and eat like if their cardio is the best calorie burner are not really lean and DO have cellulite...I am sorry if I am being too blunt.

So, you like want to know about my 29 year old booty? ;)

My booty has always been the biggest thing on my body. I had junk in the trunk since I was 13. Since I started training for triathlon, my husband says my booty has disappeared.

I don't agree, I still have some booty. Let me see what he thinks about a booty shot and I'll show you.

If there is a part of my legs I hate, it's my outer thighs. I can only see cellulite dimples on my "saddlebags" if I stand a certain way. I wouldn't say I have a cellulite booty problem though.
 
I'm not sure if I missed it then - are you completely done w/ your race schedule now or still have 1 race left?

If you cut your carbs & increase your protein but still continue the same race training demands, yes you are goign to run out of energy. That's the whole thing - you can only eat for what you demanding from your body. Cutting carbs is sayign you want to lose fat, but you are still training for runnning. Those two don't mix. Do you want performance or body transformation? Its like the saying - when you want something - you can get quality, price or immediate delivery - but you can only have 2 of the 3. Somewhere you have to compromise and pick what is your goal.

If you have that one last race, then continue your training for that and make sure you are eating enough carbs to fuel those demands - it was noted earlier that your current diet is probably too low to ensure optimal performance. Until you are done w/ your race goals, don't get sidetracked w/ muscle building right now,.

As soon as you are done w/ the racing season, then work on the mass building - but remember if that is your goal, then both your diet & your training need to change to achieve that goal. If you decide that you want to increase your muscle mass but still stay fast, I'm not sure how you can do that. You may be able to take a mass building phase, cut back on the cardio & eat / train to build muscle (but you will gain some fat w/ it) and then go into a cutting phase where you can work on your endurance /speed again. But there you will need to revisit your diet to make sure you are eating enough protein to preserve the mass you built up, eat enough carbs to fuel the increase in cardio and see how that works. Again those are two conflicting goals - speed & preserve muscle - so you would have to see how your body is able to do that.

As far as which type of competition you want to pursue, there I"d say you shoudl first go see some real competitions so you know what exactly you want to get into and what the competition is like - you may find you like the body type but find the competition activity to be dumb - not sayign it is, but for some it just isn't what they were looking for. Then as you develop a sense of what is involved and see how you are able to build muscle, then you can start looking further into figure or BB.
 
trimojo said:
I'm a triathlete finishing a season and trying to put on more muscle and lower my bodyfat.

Current stats: 5'5" 114 pounds, 13.5% body fat

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/biceps.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/back.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148342/legs2.jpg

I'm going to enjoy this experience because it's completely opposite of endurance training. I'm going to have to learn to eat very differently. Here we go!

7:00am- 10oz coffee with 2oz skim milk
7:30am- Vanilla protein shake w/10 blueberries and 1 apricot

8:30 am- 8 min. elliptical warm up
CHEST & TRICEPS

Incline Bench Press (3 sets) 12xbar, 12xbar, 12xbar
Dumbbell Chest Fly's (3 sets) 12x20lbs, 10x20lbs, 8x20lbs
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press (3 sets) 12x20lbs, 10x20lbs, 8x20lbs, 8x20lbs
Peck Deck Machine (5 sets) 12x30lbs, 12x25lbs, 12x25lbs, 12x20lbs, 12x20lbs
Chest Press Machine (3 sets) 8x60lbs, 10x55lbs, 10x55lbs


Tri's Standing Cable Pushdowns (3 sets) 12x30lbs, 12x30lbs, 12x35lbs
Skullcrushers (3 sets) 12xEZ bar, 12xEZ bar, 12x EZ bar
Dumbbell Donkey Kickbacks (3 sets) 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs
Seated Press (3 sets) 12x90lbs, 12x100lbs, 12x100lbs
Assisted Dip Machine (5 sets) 12x50lbs, 12x50lbs, 12x45lbs, 12x45lbs, 10x40lbs

I read that Shadow posted it's better to do cardio after weights. I ran 6.5 miles after lifting. I also need to swim today but after reading replies to my first post, I don't think I'm eating enough. Sometimes, I'm really ass dragging tired after long workouts. I decided to leave the gym to eat.

11:00am- 1/2 an apple
10 almonds

12:15- turkey, provolone cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles wrap

I'll head back to the gym in a hour or so for this swim workout and then eat again.
1300 yds total:
200 warm up
4 sets of:
100 hard/30 sec rest
75 hard/30 sec rest
50 hard/30 sec rest
200 easy cool down

3:00pm- Nectarine and 12 almonds

5:00pm- gin and club soda with slice of lime

6:30pm- 1/4 cup almonds, beer

7:45pm- salad w/ 5oz chicken breast

9:30pm- 4 oz chicken breast, 2 medium red potatoes, 2oz dark chocolate
 
I want to know why you can't be a smoking fast triathlete while being real muscular? It sucks you can't be buff and win. Why does more muscle equal speed loss?

I'm really trying to add more protein to my diet. I put a scoop of vanilla protein in my oatmeal this morning. I almost had to hold my nose, I felt like gagging. Cutting out refined carbs has helped the last two weeks. I do see more defintion.

But I did my best leg press set today.180x12, 190x10, 195x8, 200#x 6

Isn't very impressive, huh? I read some of your gals' squat poundage. That's impressive!
 
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I'd probably agree -- at least go by the rule of thumb 1-1.2 x your body weight in protein to maintain - and for guy, probably more like 1.5x. I would challenge him to relook at his protein intake, adjust up and see how it works for him. Also look at the quality of the carbs- for the calories of carbs consumed, is he getting the best quality for the demands of his body. If speed and agility are a demand on him, I'm guessing he doesnt' want to let the total calories get too wild, so in order to increase the protein, might need to optimize the calories taken up by carbs & fats.

A thought on achieving two goals at the same time - not so much the "look" but rather strength, I am thinking of our little hottie, Shades McCool - here is a college age guy, around 180 lb, who can run a fast 40 m dash while being able to deadlift 500 lb. Most of the power lifting guys are pushing 300 lb and feel they need to be that big to do competiton quality lifts - but Shades is a guy you'd probably never suspect of that amount of strength - so he's acheived amazing power & agility while not having bodyweight that would compromise his speed. Granted endurance training is slightly different than just sprinting, but at least making some tweaks to the diet will get more in the direction of at least preserving muscle mass vs completely sacrificing it.
 
trimojo said:
So, you like want to know about my 29 year old booty? ;)

My booty has always been the biggest thing on my body. I had junk in the trunk since I was 13. Since I started training for triathlon, my husband says my booty has disappeared.

I don't agree, I still have some booty. Let me see what he thinks about a booty shot and I'll show you.

If there is a part of my legs I hate, it's my outer thighs. I can only see cellulite dimples on my "saddlebags" if I stand a certain way. I wouldn't say I have a cellulite booty problem though.
Thanks for the reply!!
And those saddlebags are horrible!!!I agree!!!
 
trimojo said:
I want to know why you can't be a smoking fast triathlete while being real muscular? It sucks you can't be buff and win. Why does more muscle equal speed loss?

I'm really trying to add more protein to my diet. I put a scoop of vanilla protein in my oatmeal this morning. I almost had to hold my nose, I felt like gagging. Cutting out refined carbs has helped the last two weeks. I do see more defintion.

But I did my best leg press set today.180x12, 190x10, 195x8, 200#x 6

Isn't very impressive, huh? I read some of your gals' squat poundage. That's impressive!

As noted before -- the two goals are conflicting. You can build strength & speed, but size can make it harder. Shades McCool - one of the studly guys on the training board -- what is he? About 5'10"? Around 185 lb. Deadlifts 500 lb. I.e. He doesn't look like a powerlifter but he lifts like one. You don't have to be a 300 lb guy w/ a pack of hotdogs for a neck (ever see those big guys who look like they have a package of Ballpark Franks on the back of their neck??) to be a strong powerlifter. But if you add significant muscle that extra weight can impact your running because its more stuff you have to carry around. But more so you would need to optimize your diet EXACTLY to what it would need to provide enough energy for running & speed, as well as training and enough protein to build / maintain muscle and absolutely no more or less. And then determine what amount of fat works best within the whole program. Then youd' have to get your training down to a T as well.

Also when you talk about being buff -that means both having enough muscle to have the shape but also cutting your bodyfat down enough to appear ripped. Just to do that for competition , having nothing to do w/ running or any sort of performance requirements (BB's just sorta stand there & hold poses for a while), requires 1000% optimized diet, trainign & cardio. Not just a "clean diet" or a "good diet" but 1000% optimized and constantly tweaked to match the changes every couple days. Your diet w/ the booze and what not will absolutely not produce a ripped body (and I'm referring in the extreme) -- so to get that goal is a challenge to determine the type of diet & training that will produce it but also the dedication to the very strict diet to get your body to run completely optimally to get you there. And that can definitely start cutting into your every day life. So just want to give you a view into the reality of getting to this look. Its a layer down from just "clean diet" and alot of training,.

Not saying some compromise of that isnt' doable, but it takes first an exercise of laying out a diet & training program on paper, running it for a few weeks to see how it works on your body and then tweaking it as you go. Its a first pass at the 'guestimate' level, and then some trial and error. But I still think you are going to encounter challenges because the two goals of endurance and mass are conflicting in their fundamental nature.
 
trimojo said:
I want to know why you can't be a smoking fast triathlete while being real muscular?

Why??


The body is not equipped to carry a lot of body mass through long distances -you have to understand - the body is THE most adaptive, responsive machine EVER created.

It will do what you ask of it.......if you ask it to run long distances - it will shed lean body mass(at a faster rate than fat) to accomplish the goal - lbm requires Oxygen. EXTENDED physical activity causes an oxygen debt - so the easiest way to adapt is to lop off gobs of muscle.


Sprinters are the opposite - they "look" muscular due to intense short bursts of speed.


You will never EVER see a muscular marathoner or a skinny sprinter.


IF lbm is your numer 1 priority - you should seriously consider detraining on the mileage.


You won't overcome thousands of years of genetic evolution
 
trimojo said:
Yes, thanks Shadow and Sassy. You have been very patient and I hope I haven't annoyed ya'll with my "why's"?


The why's are usually the most important questions.... !
 
8am- 8oz Coffee with 2oz skim milk

8:30- 5 egg whites, 1 yolk, 1/2cup spinach 2 tablespoons diced onion

11:30am- 10 almonds, 1 apricot

12:30pm- training Bike 1:10 ride. The first few miles sucked goat balls because my legs were sore for lifting yesterday. After 4 miles, I felt good and started to loosen up.

1:45pm- 6oz chicken breast, 1 wasa rye cracker w/1oz jack cheese, dill pickle

4:45pm- training Swim and AB work
1600 yds total:
400 warm up
800 moderate tempo
400 easy cool down
 
trimojo said:
8am- 8oz Coffee with 2oz skim milk

8:30- 5 egg whites, 1 yolk, 1/2cup spinach 2 tablespoons diced onion

11:30am- 10 almonds, 1 apricot

12:30pm- training Bike 1:10 ride. The first few miles sucked goat balls because my legs were sore for lifting yesterday. After 4 miles, I felt good and started to loosen up.

1:45pm- 6oz chicken breast, 1 wasa rye cracker w/1oz jack cheese, dill pickle

4:45pm- training Swim and AB work
1600 yds total:
400 warm up
800 moderate tempo
400 easy cool down

A rule to always follow.....if it's still sore, it's still recovering. Training a muscle again if it's not recovered will set you back, not forward. Let the muscle fully recover before you train it again whether it be biking, weights, running, etc. If you want growth, you need rest :)

You can get the blood moving thru the muscle to help with recovery - and I'm talkin' 10 min of cardio or some stretching at the most. Just don't "overtrain" by pushing it before it's ready.

Good luck with your goals. I agree that you have some nice muscle development already! Welcome :twirl:
 
to add:

Active recovery is the next big thing and flushing workouts will promote recovery
 
The Shadow said:
to add:

Active recovery is the next big thing and flushing workouts will promote recovery

I know what active recovery means. My bike ride today was considered "active" recovery. My husband decided to buy a road bike last night, so we went on our first ride together today. I didn't go fast or push myself, we averaged like 14mph.

Men can be the biggest cry babies ever. The entire ride he was complaining about his ass hurting, even with new bike shorts. I just had to keep encouraging him to turn the cranks. Keep on spinning, keep on spinning.

I was excited about having a new riding pal because I loathe all the stray dogs that chase me in the country. When the little Jack Russell Terror dog comes running out on our road, what does my husband do? He growls at it which makes it more aggressive and the little bitch starts chasing my wheels. My husband just watches, chuckling while I scream at the evil little dog. Some hero he is!

So, I had stressful, active recovery bike ride. He did say he gained a ton of respect for me. He could never cycle long distances and then run right afterward.

What is a flushing workout though?
 
trimojo said:
I know what active recovery means. What is a flushing workout though?


....the active recovery comment was not directed at you - just a comment in general that it IS ok to do some work - even if you are sore.

AR is called flushing in some circles or feeder workouts in others....its allabout high repetition to force blood into the previously worked muscles....its also a GREAT way to improve/increase vascularity.
 
Only nineteen more days until my last Olympic distance triathlon of the season! Hurray! ;) Then, I can start seriously weight training.

I have been lifting hard on regularly but I must eat enough carbs to support the running, swimming and biking.

I have gotten flack from some friends about spending more time in the gym. My triathlon mentor seems especially irritated with me. He won't even help me with my last three weeks of training schedule because he thinks I'm making a mistake by lifting weights. He said, "You are scared to be fast and good so you whimped out and started weight training." He also said I better stop lifting today so I'm not tired for the race. The race isn't until October 7, I think a two week taper would be fine. What do you guys think?

It's been an eye opening journey so far. It seems that people feel very threatened by women that wants to put on muscle. Someone recently wrote this to me anonymously.

"It seems that you are working on looking like a man.

Going to the gym has its limitations on your contribution to your ego. During a break between sets, stop and take a look at your thighs. Too many more trips to the gym and you will be a man minus the penis."


:worried: Ya know, when I was skinny without muscle definition nobody said a word. Now, I'm getting hated on. Any advice about this unwarranted aggression?

It's only going to get worse after the race because I really enjoy lifting and can't wait until I can fully embrace it.
 
trimojo said:
It's been an eye opening journey so far. It seems that people feel very threatened by women that wants to put on muscle. Someone recently wrote this to me anonymously.

"It seems that you are working on looking like a man.

Going to the gym has its limitations on your contribution to your ego. During a break between sets, stop and take a look at your thighs. Too many more trips to the gym and you will be a man minus the penis."


:worried: Ya know, when I was skinny without muscle definition nobody said a word. Now, I'm getting hated on. Any advice about this unwarranted aggression?

It's only going to get worse after the race because I really enjoy lifting and can't wait until I can fully embrace it.

OMG

Rude AND a coward to boot.

I would ignore (try to at any rate) the negative comments you will receive.

A comment like that is either a jealous woman or an insecure man.

Unbelieveable.
 
I want to know why it is when fat people whine about being fat and people say "Oh you look fine" to make them feel better, but somehow when you want to make a change, people will criticize you for it to the point that literally ANYTHING OTHER than what you are trying to accomplish is 'acceptable'.

Further, your body is always in flux - i.e. no matter how you look "now", it is pretty much just part of a phase you pass thru on to whatever is the next part of the phase. For example when I train for bodybuilding, people give me a lot of shit about how thick I am when I am still outside the 4 weeks out period. But somehow when I pass into the 4 weeks out phase I'm the hottest thing on the planet. But then people will see me on competition day and say I look too lean or some people tend to start looking a little cadaverous or stringy - but you only look like that for a few days -- but people feel they have to make comments like you are screwed for the rest of yoru life because you look like that for a few days.

Basically dont' let other people's comments dissuade you from your goal. It depends on how they speak to you -- if they are accusatory, then its often just easy to ask them why they care? Why is it so important how you look to them? And your body is always changing. If they aren't accusatory & just "concerned" then you can always say "I want to see how this works for me". You are never committed to a particular thing and it always changes.
 
how did someone write something anon and get it to you??


Rude comments are a penny a dozen......


Personally - I LOVE A great set of Gams on a chick
 
The Shadow said:
how did someone write something anon and get it to you??


Oh sorry! It was a private E-mail about the man legs, nobody here. You guys here have always been so encouraging! GG, Sassy, Shadow.. Thanks! That's why I came back, for understanding.

Do you think a two week taper from weight lifting is long enough for an Oly race? .9 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6.2 mile run? My coach says 3 week taper but he hates that I'm lifting, I think he thinks it's shallow.
 
Your coach might be right about not lifting prior to your race...but that you already know...just like tapering so your muscles are fresh. I think 1-2 week taper would be fine. Three weeks your gonna lose everything that you have started working for. YOU have to do what is best for YOU!! Don't let them discourage you! Lifting will improve alot of your events!
 
Contrast the chiseled contours of a successful bodybuilder with the gaunt frame of an elite marathoner. Then remember both can achieve stunning results by virtue of their muscles.

An amazing feature of your muscles is how much you can change them by training. When you begin an aerobic training program, the capillary blood vessels in the muscles you use begin to increase. You can end up with almost another 50%, added to the capillary network you had before you began training.

Your muscles need enzymes to tell the power houses (called mitochondria) in their cells how to carry out the biochemical reactions that turn carbohydrate and fat into energy. The enzyme activity can more than double with consistent training.

Part of the fuel your muscles use is right there in the muscle fibers. This is a complex carbohydrate called glycogen. As you train, your muscles' capacity for glycogen increases, so you can boost your stored glycogen by eating more carbohydrates.

If you carbo-load by increasing your carbohydrate calories to at least 70% of your total calories for at least three days, you may be able to increase your muscles' glycogen store by more than 50%.

If you practice speedwork, or any high-intensity efforts that put you into oxygen debt, your muscles produce more lactate as a byproduct. This causes blood lactate to rise. The increase is gentle at first, and then rises more sharply. This steeper increase in blood lactate is called the lactate threshold.

Regular speedwork in your sport will raise your lactate threshold. This means that your muscles can work harder to produce only the same amount of lactate. This allows you to run (or ride, or ski, or row ...) faster.

One of the most dramatic changes in sedentary people as they grow older is their muscles grow smaller, accumulate more fat, and become weaker. You can avoid the major part of these changes by resistance training. Build up to eight to 12 repetitions of the heaviest load you can handle, for each of your major muscle groups.

Two or three sessions a week are enough; you even gain some benefits by working out only once a week, according to Michael Pollock, Ph.D., and colleagues at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

Working out against high resistance (or lifting heavy weights) causes microscopic damage in muscle fibers. During the recovery period before the next workout, the fibers grow bigger and stronger.

And it's never too late to benefit. Even frail folks in their 90s increased muscle size by up to 10%, and strength as much as doubled, according to Maria Fiatarone, M.D., and colleagues at Tufts University in Boston.

Regular aerobic training and strength workouts, proper diet and plenty of fluids will keep your athlete's muscles young, no matter what the calendar says about your age.
 
I'm depressed, it's been a week since I last lifted. I am feeling like a big blob of Jello.

I biked 50 miles on Saturday and ran 13 miles between Sunday and today plus swam 1,500. It puts me into a carbo feeding frenzy. Right now, I cannot get enough of Raisin Bran and Kashi. Pecan pie and sweet potatoes! Satan's food I tell you!

My stomach is bloated like the Pilsbury Dough Boy because the cardio makes me so hungry for carbs. My race is in two weeks so I've got to train only cardio now. I hate it!

When I run or bike long distances now, my muscles feel really sore and tired. My legs look more jiggly though when I stop lifting. I literally feel my body eating my quad muscles around mile 28 of long rides. :chomp: Hehehehee.

My body doesn't ask me for much protein anymore like when I was focusing on lifting. I ate a much more healthy diet when weight training. I miss it. Only two more long weeks.
 
Finish you race before you change anything again. You know not to try anything new before a race/Tri.....I was wondering where you were...I m going through the same thing but the other way. Trying to adapt tp your diet from a high protien diet...Very hard to do....We will get it...hang in there sweetie and train....everything else will come later
 
Good Morning! I finished my last race of the season Saturday in the cold rain on a hilly, difficult course. I didn't place but I didn't expect to, this wasn't my "A" race of the year. Here are my final times though.

1.5k Swim- 31:06

25k bike- 1:23:47

10k run-55:48


I am so freaking excited about weight training! :verygood: I have missed for three weeks.
I can really devote my energy into building muscle mass starting now. I feel like a blank slate or clean sheets! ;)

I'm going to take a more in depth look at the "Shadow Project". I scanned over it breifly about a month ago. I remember thinking, this isn't enough training! Not enough sets or exercises! I think I'm a constant over-trainer though. I always think more is better and I'm usually wrong.

So many new roads to choose to go down but which one?

Okay, I just did some more reading. For a total begginer, which supplements should I purchase? Does this look like a good starting point?

Glucorell-R
Thermorexin
Creatine, L-Glutamine powder

??
 
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Hey TM! Congrats on the race! Not only did you achieve that goal, you're heading balls to the wall into the next one! That's a great feeling when all the excitement and satisfaction of the first goal settle down and you don't hit that anti-climax of "What the hell do I do now??"

My sister-in-law is in her last yr of a Psychology PhD, she's between 2 practicums, works 3 jobs as part of her internships, etc, never has a day off (while my brother owns a gym and works a regular engineering job and they have 2 psycho dogs), and found time to train for and complete her first marathon last weekend as well. I have no idea how she did it - I've never met anyone so driven to just experience everything, but we were talking about the sense of accomplishment and despite all the other acheivements she's made in her life, she considers that to be one of the greatest personal challenges she's ever taken on. Its like bodybuilding / competiton -- its extreme, not somethign everyone can do, beats the shit out of you but also drags out "what you are made of" mentally & physically and then you will forever have that experience as part of your life. So yes I have great respect for what you do w/ the racing!

Supps-wise - I'd just add in a good multivitamin. I use the GNC pre-natal vitamins myself - mostly its just got more B vitamins (i.e. you don't have to want to get knocked up to use them). But pretty much any good multivitamin will work just fine. Make sure you are getting a pile of water or if not, start to work up to it. A good guideline is 1 oz of water per 1 lb of bodywt - i.e. you weigh 150 lb, 150 oz water.

And then just hit it hard!
 
Wow, Sassy sounds like you were born into a family of overachievers! How did your sister in law do running the marathon? I bet she's one sore puppy!

I got back into the gym today. I took Sunday and Monday off to recover from the race. I was was concerned I wouldn't be able to lift very much since it's been three weeks. That time off of weight training didn't do that much damage though, I'm lifting about as much as I did when I had to taper.

Meal 1: 5 egg white, 1 yolk and 1 slice of Sprouted Grain Bread

Workout-
Stair Climber warm-up, level 12 for 10min.

Leg Extensions (2 sets Warm-up) 12x60lbs, 12x60lbs

Squats (5 sets) 12xbar+50, 12xbar+60, 12xbar+70, 12xbar+90, 10xbar+90

Leg Press (4 sets) 12x195lbs, 12x185lbs, 12x180lbs, 12x175lbs

Leg Extensions (3 sets) 12x80lbs, 10x85lbs, 10x90lbs

High Step Ups (2 sets) 20x25lb dumbbells

Standing Calf Raises (6 sets) (3 sets of 15x80lbs) (3 sets of 15x90lbs)

Seated Calf Raisies (2 sets) 20x50lbs, 16x70lbs

20min, ab work using stability ball

Meal 2: Vanilla Protein shake, 1/4 cup plain yogurt and a handful of fresh blueberrries added.

After spending time reading Shadow's plan, I order some supplements. :good: I couldn't resist. I read a thread about someone named Raina taking a cardio breeze before working out, then coming home eating breakfast and taking TRex. I guess she went into a house cleaning frenzy. Sounds exactly like the boost of energy I need. :evil:

Meal 3: 1 slice of sprouted grain bread, 1 Tblsp. peanut butter

Meal 4: 1 oz mixed nuts (almonds, hazelnuts, pistachios)

Meal 5: 3 oz boiled shrimp

Meal 6: 4 oz extra lean ground beef, 3 oz boiled potatoes, 4 oz asparagus and onions, 6oz red wine
 
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Gymgurl said:
Great job......I love sesapure and Glucerrol.....Wish I could learn to spell them lol

;) Heeheheehe

I didn't get either of those. I got cardio breeze, Trex and the Yes lotion.

After reading about the pep you get from cardio breeze, I wonder what would happen if I took one before a triathlon? Would I tear up the course? Swim like Michael Phelps, bike like Lance Armstrong and run like Flo-Jo? :rolleyes:

Maybe in my dreams...
 
trimojo said:
;) Heeheheehe

I didn't get either of those. I got cardio breeze, Trex and the Yes lotion.

After reading about the pep you get from cardio breeze, I wonder what would happen if I took one before a triathlon? Would I tear up the course? Swim like Michael Phelps, bike like Lance Armstrong and run like Flo-Jo? :rolleyes:

Maybe in my dreams...

Well I was amazed by CB -- I used to pop it before 5 am cardio and I'd go from being slighly comatose to saying "Hey I'm having so much fun I think I'll do an extra 10 min of cardio today!"
 
Morning! :coffee:

I woke up to a surprise at 2am. See, I love to chew gum. I have a piece of gum in my mouth almost all the time. Extra, spearmint, bright green. I sometimes choke on my gum when I'm running. I've swallow a few pieces while swimming. I've spit out quite a few pieces while biking too. You could call me an Extra Spearmint gum addict.

I usually spit out my gum before bed. If I forget and I fall asleep, I'll stick it on a magazine on my night stand. Monty, our Doberman, sleeps at the foot of our bed at night. Sometimes, I'll stroke his head with my feet in the middle of the night. Last night, when I tried, my foot kinda stuck on Monty's fur. I rubbed my feet together. They stuck together. I got up in the dark and went into the living room.

I don't know how in the heck it happened but I had Extra spearmint gum stuck all over my feet and calves. It took me almost 15 minutes to pick it all off. I'm still puzzled as to how the gum got all over my feet. I just kept thanking God it wasn't in my hair!

No more gum in bed! :rolleyes:

Meal 1: 12oz coffee w/ 1% milk, 1/2 cup oatmeal, four egg whites, 1 whole egg

Training:

30 min. run at the park
Then I decided to try Shadow's cardio on the treadmill when I got to the gym. The (4.0-4.4 mph on a 12-15 degree incline) one.

Ummmmm.... I kept feeling like I was going to slide off the back. I wasn't sure if I should walk or jog. So, I tried to fast walk but had to hold on to the bars like an old fart so I didn't fall. Then, I started to jog but I sounded so loud, like a baby elephant. People were looking. I guess I'm a treadmill 'tard. Only could handle the dreadmill embarassment for 10 min.

SHOULDERS

Military Press 5 sets- bar/12, bar+10/10, bar+10/8, bar+10/6, bar+10/6
Lateral Fly Machine 3 sets- 35/12, 40/8, 40/6
Front Raise 3 sets- 12/12 for all sets
Lateral Raise 3 sets- 12/12 for all sets
Cable Upright Rows 3 sets- 65/12, 70/10, 75/8
Dumbbell Shrugs 4 sets- 20/12, 20/12, 25/12, 25/12

Meal 2: 1 and 1/2 scoops vanilla protein w/ 1/4 cup plain yogurt and handful of blueberries

Meal 3:1 slice sprouted grain bread w/ tablespoon peanut better

Meal 4: 1/2 apple, 1 ounce hazelnuts and almonds

Meal 5: 3 ounces of boiled shrimp, 6 oz of red wine

Meal 6: 6oz grilled salmon filet, steamed zuchinni, onions and asparagus, 1/2 cup brown rice.

Since I started eating clean again, I know exactly what we are eating for dinner and it's still three hours away!
 
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I didn't think I lost that much fitness during my 3 week taper for my last triathlon. All my weights were the same on Tuesday when I did my quads/calves. Last night, I was walking around like I had a dirty diaper. I had some major leg soreness.

I'm going to go work my hams/calves soon. I think I'll need a motorized wheel chair to feed the animals this afternoon. :verygood:

I'm very excited, my new supplements should arrive today!

Meal 1: 12oz coffee, 1/2 plain yogurt, 4 egg whites, 1 yolk

WORKOUT:

Seated Leg Curls (5 sets) 12x75lbs, 12x80lbs, 12x85lbs, 12x85lbs, 10x90lbs

Lying Leg Curls (4 sets) 12x40lbs, 12x45lbs, 12x50lbs, 12x50lbs

Straight Leg Dead Lifts (3 sets) 12xbar, 12xbar+20, 12xbar+20

Walking Lunges (3 sets) 24 lunges(steps) w/ 20lbs DB

Seated calf raises (5 sets) 16x70

Standing Calf Raises (3 sets) 16x100, 16x100, 16x110

Meal 2: 1 and 1/2 scoops protein powder, handful of blueberries and red raspberries, 2 tbls. plain yogurt, 1/4 cup Green Godess juice

Meal 3: 1 slice sprouted grain bread, 1 tblsp. p-nut butter

Meal 4: Salad w/ 3 oz shrimp and 1 Tbls. ranch dressing

Meal 5: 4 oz turkey burger, 1 cup green beans, 3 oz sweet potato, 6 oz red wine

Meal 6: 1 apple, 1 oz of mixed nuts (hazelnuts, almonds)
 
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My supplements arrived yesterday! The service from the AF store was quick. I bought cardio breeze, Trex and the Yes lotion. Like a kid at Christmas, I was excited to use them this morning.

I took the Cardio Breeze and squatted in the tub to exfoliate my bum and thighs right after I woke up. I waited for about 30 min. and then did some HIIT cardio at home.

Wasn't as difficult as I thought. I am not a morning person and I NEVER do cardio on an empty stomach. I had no bad side effects. I thought I was sweating more but it could be my imagination.

Meal 1: 1/2 cup plain yogurt, 4 egg whites & 1 yolk

Then I took a Trex and drove to the gym. :evil:

WORKOUT
Lat Pulldowns (4 sets) 12x80lbs, 12x80lbs, 12x85lbs, 12x90lb
Bent Over Rows (4 sets) 12xbar+20, 12xbar+25, 12xbar+30, 12xbar+30
T-Bar Rows (3 sets) 12x65lbs, 12x70lbs, 12x70lbs
Dumbbell One Arm Rows (3 sets) 12x25lbs, 12x25lbs, 12x25lbs
Assisted Pull-up (3 sets) 12x60lbs, 12x50lbs, 12x50lbs

Standing Olympic Bar Curls (4 sets) 12xbar+10, 12xbar+10, 10xbar+15, 8xbar+15
Seated Dumbbell "Arnold" Curls (4 sets) 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs, 10x20lbs, 8x20lbs
Preacher Curls (3 sets) 12x35lbs, 12x40lbs, 12x40lbs
Concentration Curls (2 sets) 12x15lbs, 12x15lbs

This old guy told me I looked like I was working really hard today. I don't know if it was the supplements or he just wanted me to take my headphones off.

I did feel like busting out a dance in the middle of working my biceps. Me&You by Cassie came on my MP3 and I had a sudden urge to dance. Weird! At least I was in a joyful mood.

Meal 2: 1 1/2 scoops protein powder, 1/4 c. green godess juice, handful of blueberries.

Meal 3: Sprouted grain bread w/ 1 tbls. p-nut better

Meal 4: 1 oz almonds, side salad

Meal 5: 5oz chicken breast, steamed broccoli and 1/2c. couscous

Meal:6 1 apple, 1 oz peanuts
 
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1 Cardio Breeze and Yes on my butt first thing in the morning.

45 min. kickboxing cardio, 8min stability ball abs

Meal 1: 4oz extra lean turkey burger, handful of baby greens, 1 slice sprouted grain bread

One T-Rex which gave me the energy to make over 100 lip balms! ;)

Meal 2: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1/4 blueberres

Meal 3: slice of sprouted grain bread and 1 tlbs. p-nut butter

Meal 4: 3 oz chicken breast and 1/2 apple

Meal 5: 2 sushi rolls, 1 asparagus+avocado+salmon, 1 shrimp+cucumber+roe
 
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HELP! We are going to the fair state today. :devil:

The food is unbelievable. Deep fried anything you could ever want. Like deep fried twinkies, deep fried candy bars, deep fried pickles and new this year.. Deep fried coke?

The turkey legs are my favorite. I feel like Bam-Bam on the Flintstones while I'm gnawing on one. Oh yeah, the greek food is to die for too. Gyros are my heros! I'l try to not go crazy but I know today will be a BIG cheat day. :chomp:

I'll try to remember what I eat and I'll post later, maybe Gymgurl will smack me with her numchakus! :verygood:

Meal 1: 12 oz coffee w/ skim milk, 3 egg whites, 1/2 banana
 
I didn't do too bad at the fair. Too many food choices and the greasy stuff was making my tummy churn. I ate a grilled chicken breast and three cheese sticks.

Monday, interval training cardio and chest/tricep workout

Tuesday Quads and calves

And I Pr'ed with a 255 pound leg press yesterday! ;) Whoohooo!
 
1 cardio breeze

45 min. steady state run @ 8:15 min. mile pace

Meal 1: 4 egg whites, 1 yolk, 1/2 banana, 8oz coffee

1 T-REX

Workout:

SHOULDERS

Military Press 5 sets- bar/12, bar+10/10, bar+10/8, bar+10/6, bar+10/6
Lateral Fly Machine 3 sets- 35/12, 40/10, 40/10
Front Raise 3 sets- 12/12 for all sets
Lateral Raise 3 sets- 12/12 for all sets
Cable Upright Rows 3 sets- 70/12, 75/10, 80/8
Dumbbell Shrugs 4 sets- 20/12, 20/12, 25/12, 25/12

Meal 2: 1 and 1/2 scoops protein powder, handful of blueberries, 1/4c plain yogurt, green godess juice
 
Sassy69 said:
How's teh t-rex treating you?

I think it's great, it gives me a great energy boost. Even after a good 45 min. run, I take a T-Rex with breakfast and I'm ready to hit the gym for weights. :evil:

It helped me at the fair too. I didn't go ape shit over the food. I started looking at all the greasy food then the obese people shoving it down their gullets' and I lost my appetite.

I've also hit some personal records lifting this week. Don't know if it is the T-Rex or cutting down the cardio. Overall, I'm a happy camper and I :heart: T-rex!
 
trimojo said:
I think it's great, it gives me a great energy boost. Even after a good 45 min. run, I take a T-Rex with breakfast and I'm ready to hit the gym for weights. :evil:

It helped me at the fair too. I didn't go ape shit over the food. I started looking at all the greasy food then the obese people shoving it down their gullets' and I lost my appetite.

I've also hit some personal records lifting this week. Don't know if it is the T-Rex or cutting down the cardio. Overall, I'm a happy camper and I :heart: T-rex!


Great job on the PR's!!!
 
I have a question again. :rolleyes:

I was doing Dumbbell One Arm Rows with 25#. This guy comes over and tells me to let the DB go all the way to the ground. I thanked him for correcting my form.

Then, he wants to talk about what I'm trying to do. I told him build muscle. He said I need to do higher reps and do descending weight sets.

This is the plan I'm following.
Push/Pull 3

Am I doing the right thing? I sometimes wish people would be respectful of my headphones. When I have them on, don't talk to me. This guy just made me question everything I have been doing. :evil:
 
trimojo said:
I have a question again. :rolleyes:

I was doing Dumbbell One Arm Rows with 25#. This guy comes over and tells me to let the DB go all the way to the ground. I thanked him for correcting my form.

Then, he wants to talk about what I'm trying to do. I told him build muscle. He said I need to do higher reps and do descending weight sets.

This is the plan I'm following.
Push/Pull 3

Am I doing the right thing? I sometimes wish people would be respectful of my headphones. When I have them on, don't talk to me. This guy just made me question everything I have been doing. :evil:

Anyone? Where would be the best place to ask questions about lifting rountines? Or maybe a website with different programs?

There aren't many good personal trainers at my gym. Most are into full body workouts, same rountine everyday..
 
trimojo said:
I have a question again. :rolleyes:

I was doing Dumbbell One Arm Rows with 25#. This guy comes over and tells me to let the DB go all the way to the ground. I thanked him for correcting my form.

Then, he wants to talk about what I'm trying to do. I told him build muscle. He said I need to do higher reps and do descending weight sets.

This is the plan I'm following.
Push/Pull 3

Am I doing the right thing? I sometimes wish people would be respectful of my headphones. When I have them on, don't talk to me. This guy just made me question everything I have been doing. :evil:
This guy told you to lift less weight with higher reps to add muscle? Ask him WHY and how that works... Im serious, interrupt him & ask him why.

Remind me, were you doing the shadow plan?
 
*Bunny* said:
This guy told you to lift less weight with higher reps to add muscle? Ask him WHY and how that works... Im serious, interrupt him & ask him why.

Remind me, were you doing the shadow plan?


Thanks, Bunny. I did ask why he thought higher reps would help me build muscle faster. He said if I keep doing only 10-12 reps, my muscles won't grow anymore. :rolleyes: That I need to do more reps with lower weights because when I get home and drink my protein shake, my muscles will grow more because I've increased the reps. He said it would be like a shock to my muscles. Tricking them into thinking they better grow faster or they won't be able to pound out 3 sets of 20-25 reps.

I am doing a modified version of the Shadow plan. I'm not following his lifting plan. I posted a link above "Push Pull 3" of my weekly lifting. I am doing the cardio he recommends and watching my diet.
 
trimojo said:
Thanks, Bunny. I did ask why he thought higher reps would help me build muscle faster. He said if I keep doing only 10-12 reps, my muscles won't grow anymore. :rolleyes: That I need to do more reps with lower weights because when I get home and drink my protein shake, my muscles will grow more because I've increased the reps. He said it would be like a shock to my muscles. Tricking them into thinking they better grow faster or they won't be able to pound out 3 sets of 20-25 reps.

I am doing a modified version of the Shadow plan. I'm not following his lifting plan. I posted a link above "Push Pull 3" of my weekly lifting. I am doing the cardio he recommends and watching my diet.
Ok. There is SOME evidence that a cycle of higher reps with lower weights MAY HELP but I am not going to search for it but this reminds me German Volume Training... i.e "Scientifically speaking, by exposing a group of motor units to such a high volume of work, the body adapts to the incredible amount of stress by growing the targeted fibers at a pretty fast rate. And, along the same lines, the large training volume appears to contribute not only to increased mass, but decreased body fat (Hather, et al, 1992; Stone, O'Bryant, and Garhammer, 1981)."

I am goin to make a very generalized statement here. I do think for adding muscle (aside from the statement made above), yes 10-12 reps will NOT aid in growth for a split like the push pull you are following. I would say 6-8 reps, HEAVIER WEIGHT would allow for more progress. if you hit 10,11 or 12 reps? then time to up the weight.

If you plateau or want a change after you've ran a training program until you feel you stalled out, only then I may suggest a flushing or switch to a GVT like program ( or similar high reps low weights) but NOT to start... I cannot back that up with scientific evidence but it just doesn't make sense for YOU to start with that for trying to add size.

12 reps is too many IMO for your goal.
 
My husband took this picture the other night and I was mortified. My ass looks so freaking large. My husband my be a big ass photographer because he kept saying "Scoot back, scoot back.." Like he wanted it as large as possible? :artist:


Then when I saw the picture, I threw up a little in my mouth. :worried: "OMG BECKY, Look at her butt! It's just so big!" It's discouraging because I do train a lot and I think that my work doesn't always pay off.

But I've just made a big change from endurance events to weight training. Guess I won't have a tight ass over night, it's only been one and a half weeks. Flo asked me a few weeks ago about triathlete's booty and fat. Here it is, in all it's glory. ;)
 
trimojo said:
My husband took this picture the other night and I was mortified. My ass looks so freaking large. My husband my be a big ass photographer because he kept saying "Scoot back, scoot back.." Like he wanted it as large as possible? :artist:


Then when I saw the picture, I threw up a little in my mouth. :worried: "OMG BECKY, Look at her butt! It's just so big!" It's discouraging because I do train a lot and I think that my work doesn't always pay off.

But I've just made a big change from endurance events to weight training. Guess I won't have a tight ass over night, it's only been one and a half weeks. Flo asked me a few weeks ago about triathlete's booty and fat. Here it is, in all it's glory. ;)
That angle & pose is going to make it much larger than it is hun... lol Curves look GREAT from that angle but that is not what you want. I would def. add some size up top to balance things out a bit to NOT take away from your natural shape... it would look VERY flattering...

The change IS hard to take at first. Hang in there.

lol i dont wanna see what happens if you make that your avi lol :)
 
*Bunny* said:
Ok. There is SOME evidence that a cycle of higher reps with lower weights MAY HELP but I am not going to search for it but this reminds me German Volume Training... i.e "Scientifically speaking, by exposing a group of motor units to such a high volume of work, the body adapts to the incredible amount of stress by growing the targeted fibers at a pretty fast rate. And, along the same lines, the large training volume appears to contribute not only to increased mass, but decreased body fat (Hather, et al, 1992; Stone, O'Bryant, and Garhammer, 1981)."

I am goin to make a very generalized statement here. I do think for adding muscle (aside from the statement made above), yes 10-12 reps will NOT aid in growth for a split like the push pull you are following. I would say 6-8 reps, HEAVIER WEIGHT would allow for more progress. if you hit 10,11 or 12 reps? then time to up the weight.

If you plateau or want a change after you've ran a training program until you feel you stalled out, only then I may suggest a flushing or switch to a GVT like program ( or similar high reps low weights) but NOT to start... I cannot back that up with scientific evidence but it just doesn't make sense for YOU to start with that for trying to add size.

12 reps is too many IMO for your goal.


I agree -- I'm going to take a shot at the argument for low reps/high weight to build muscle mass -- let's consider the concept of "they better grow if they want to support 3 sets of 20-25 reps".... This basically amounts to endurance lifting right? So the performance you are trying to condition yourself for is endurance-- the goal is to push thru several reps vs. moving an increasingly large resistance. Then let's look at athletes who do this sort of training -- again that sort of brings us to endurance athletes vs. power athletes.

I agree it is never a bad thing to throw in some major changes occassionally just to change things up but pay attention to what is the goal. If you are stalling out, look at your diet first. Then the training - but I think the below regarding rep range is appropriate. You can look at the different exercises as well- people do tend to get sidetracked on the machines and stuff when they should be focusing on core strength exercises. And it also may take time to see the changes as well. Its always an ongoing experiment to find out what works, but as far as crazy high reps, I would reserve those for slow twitch fiber muscles like calves (as evidenced by the calf size you see on athletes like sprinters & bikers), for shaping/conditioning muscle that is already there -- e.g. I used this approach at a point when my goal was contest prep for figure and I needed 1) to cut some mass and 2) was already into the cutting phase were the other goal of the lifting component was the fat-burning / aerobic nature of high rep / super setting. Otherwise if you looking to build mass, low rep, high weight.

OK, I found an article (by Tom Venuto no less) that says what I want to say here (http://www.freedomfly.net/Articles/Training/training29.htm)

What Happens within the muscles in response to different rep ranges?
By Tom Venuto

The primary difference between the effects of rep ranges on the adaptive response depends on whether the load affects neural factors (low reps) or metabolic factors (higher reps). When you train with low reps (1 – 5), the adaptations that make you stronger are mostly neurological: You develop an increased ability to recruit more muscle fibers, you stimulate the higher threshold fibers that are not activated with high rep, low weight sets, you decrease neuromuscular inhibition, and there is increased coordination between the muscle groups. However, with low reps, the hypertrophy (size increase) of the muscle fibers is minimal.

In other words, reps under 6 make you stronger, but they don’t necessarily make you bigger because the strength gains come from adaptations in the nervous system – the muscle fibers and other muscle cell structures do not hypertrophy (enlarge). This explains why certain athletes, powerlifters and Olympic lifters can be wicked strong but they don’t look as strong as they are.

When you train with medium reps (6-12) the adaptations are more metabolic and cellular and only moderately neurological. This is why 6-12 reps is the range most often recommended for bodybuilding and hypertrophy. You get bigger and stronger in this rep range, but your strength gains are not maximal. This explains why some bodybuilders look stronger than they are (and why they are often the brunt of jokes made by powerlifters and weight lifters; i.e. “big, weak, slow, useless muscles”, ha ha).

When you train with higher reps (13-20+), the adaptations are mostly metabolic and cellular. This rep range produces local muscular endurance, a small degree of hypertrophy in certain cellular components such as the mitochondria and the capillaries, and very little strength.

There is not a distinct line where neural adaptations end and structural/metabolic adaptations begin; rather it is a continuum, like temperature or colors of a rainbow.

For example, when you train in the 6-8 rep range, the adaptations are still somewhat neural, but also metabolic/structural: In this rep range, you get excellent strength gains and also excellent hypertrophy. In the 8-12 rep range, there is still some neural adaptation, but less than the 6-8 range and much less than the 1-5 range. The advantage of the 8-12 rep range is that you get maximal hypertrophy (this is the best rep range for pure size increases when strength is not the number one concern). You will also get stronger, of course, but not nearly to the degree as you would training with lower reps.


Rep range Percent of 1 rep max Training Effect Goal desired
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1-5 reps 85-100% Neural Strength & power little hypertrophy
6-8 reps 75-85% Neural & metabolic Strength & Hypertrophy
9-12 reps 70-75% Metabolic & Neural Hypertrophy & some strength
13-20+ reps 60-70% Metabolic local endurance some hypertrophy, little strength


Now, what exactly happens inside the muscle to make it get bigger and not necessarily stronger? Quite simply, ALL the structures inside the muscle cell grow when exposed to the appropriate training stimulus.

Remember back in high school when you had to memorize those diagrams of cellular anatomy (or you would get an F in the class)? There were all kinds of organelles and cell structures such as the endoplasmic reticulum, the mitochondria, the golgi complex, ribosomes, centrioles, Lysosomes, and cytoplasm. Remember all that stuff?

If you’re anything like me, you defied your biology teacher to explain the reason why you had to memorize all that crap and what good it would do you in the "real world." Well, now that you're in the "real world" and you want strength and muscles, here you go:

A muscle cell has all the same cell structures as other body cells, and they all take up space. When speaking of the muscle cell, you mostly hear about the mitochondria (the cellular powerhouse where energy production takes place), the myofibrils (the actual muscle fibers themselves) and the fluid inside the cell (called cytoplasm in other body cells, or in the case of the muscle cell, its called sarcoplasm).

Myofibrillar hypertrophy is caused most effectively in the 6-8 rep range. This contributes to the most visible increases in muscle mass and cross sectional width. However, that doesn’t mean you should only train in the 6-8 rep range. If you want to make the other "stuff" in the muscle cell grow as well, you should train in all rep ranges. The mitochondria and sarcoplasm also take up a substantial amount of space in the muscle cell and they are best stimulated with high reps. High rep training can also stimulate increased capillarization in the muscle (just ask former Mr. Universe and Mr. Legs himself, Tom Platz, about the effectiveness of high rep leg training done in addition to the low and medium rep training).

In addition, there is more than one type of muscle fiber: you have slow twitch (type I) and fast twitch (type IIa and IIb). Slow twitch muscle fibers also hypertrophy from higher reps (although they have the least potential for size increases, which is why you should spend more time below 13 reps if it's muscle mass you're after).

So here’s the take home lesson: If you’re an athlete and your primary goal is strength and power for improved sports performance, then a good majority of your training is going to be in the 1-5 rep range. This will help make you stronger, faster and more powerful without adding muscle bulk. If you’re a bodybuilder and your primary goal is muscle mass, then the majority of your training should be done in the 6-12 rep range, but you should also do a little bit of training in the 3-5 rep range for power and strength, which will later facilitate hypertrophy (and prevent the powerlifters from making fun of you), and you should do a little bit of training in the 13-20+ rep range to facilitate the development of slow twitch muscle fiber, build mitochondrial density and increase capillarization.
 
Thanks for the help, Sassy! The article made a lot of sense. :heart:

On Monday, I'll start the 5-8 reps. I definitely will be increasing all my weights then.

How long does one normally stick with a lifting routine? Eight weeks?
 
trimojo said:
Thanks for the help, Sassy! The article made a lot of sense. :heart:

On Monday, I'll start the 5-8 reps. I definitely will be increasing all my weights then.

How long does one normally stick with a lifting routine? Eight weeks?
I would say as long as you don't get bored and are seeing results...
I have to add things here and there b/c I am in constant need of change, BUT I will say that 4-6 weeks is a good general guideline, after that you can assess your workout and decide to stay with it, change it up etc... I think 8 weeks would be the MAX I would run it for though.

Now throw ALL that out the window if you are doing some type of HST (Hypertrophy-Specific Training) Program, I think that usually changes rep ranges every ~ 2 weeks, or other program designed for you.
 
Good orning Tri!
AY that husband of yours!!! He thought you wanted a "setsy" pic and He did just that...I agree that at that angle it makes it look larger, it's like the poses many models/photographers use...bend over and skin does not sag...or gravity does not take it's toll...at list it gets frozen on pic.
Try taking one on the side, or standing up that gets back/waist/tush/ hammies...Those are the flat out truth!!!
 
Took Saturday and Sunday off. It felt really weird. I have been going on 2-4 hour bike rides every Saturday and long runs 1-2 hours every Sunday. I started my period Saturday and it rained all Sunday so I wasn't completely racked with guilt. I felt kinda crappy and it looked miserable outside anyway.

I felt great training today though! I was ready to work and sang with the radio the entire drive to the gym. :) Must be the cardio breeze.

40 min. HIIT cardio and then chest and triceps work. I went up 5-10 pounds on every exercise and did only 6-8 reps.

Then, I went and got acrylic nails. Since my season is over, I can have some "pretty girl" things done. I don't have to worry about stabbing someone during the swim or popping a hole in my wetsuit. I'm not milking any of the goats now either. It seems like the perfect time for nice nails.

I keep looking at my hands like they are "The Thing". Are they really mine?

They feel weird too. I can't type very well yet.
 
How about even trying to put a wetsuit on with nails!! Enjoy the change for awhile! You deserve it!
 
Yay, you deserve the girly things, Trimojo! And I think you've got a great behind!

I will say not to worry about how it appears in the pic, the closer a subject gets to a standard lens (I'm assuming it was something like a 50mm) the more it distorts or 'fisheyes' the image causing it to curve and fan out to the sides of the frame. As the ladies said, your back has a very nice shape!:)
 
florencia said:
I know what you mean with the nails! It happens to me too...wetsuit vs. washing dishes...:evil:

Been a busy week! Got my lifting in though. I cut back on reps and increased all weight this week. I also tried some new exercises. Squat jumps and front squats. The front squats hurt my shoulders a little bit from the bar, I wasn't really comfortable holding it. The jump squats really burned, I liked it. :evil:

And finally some true booty shots, just for Florencia. I promised by Friday! I cannot believe I am posting these, triathlete trauma. My booty has always been my worse enemy after the age of 14. I carry most of my weight in my hips. I've got some german child-bearing hips/thighs. I'd probably be a fertile myrtle.

Any help or critism on my butt is fine. I need all the help I can get. Oh yeah, see my pretty fingernails?
bootyside.jpg

bootyback.jpg
 
I went on a 30 mile bike ride today with another cyclist. It was a great ride, beautiful fall colors but very windy. I haven't gone on a bike ride since my last race three weeks ago. Oddly, I was climbing hills on average 1 mph faster than I was three weeks ago. The guy I was riding with asked me to pull him up the last two hills. ;)

Must be all this weight training, huh?
 
trimojo said:
I went on a 30 mile bike ride today with another cyclist. It was a great ride, beautiful fall colors but very windy. I haven't gone on a bike ride since my last race three weeks ago. Oddly, I was climbing hills on average 1 mph faster than I was three weeks ago. The guy I was riding with asked me to pull him up the last two hills. ;)

Must be all this weight training, huh?
Great!!!! I think it was multi-factor...a bit of rest helps, kind of like tapering, and weights do help, I think Mostly you are not tired. :qt:
 
Good Morning Tri!!!
I am still in san Antonio, just woke up, swollen ate ramen soup last night.
I did buy 2 pairs tennis shoes, Brooks 9.5 axiom, and the others are cascadia red diablo...
Someone has got to stop the girl...
Where do you live? PM repsonse if you wish...
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florencia said:
Great!!!! I think it was multi-factor...a bit of rest helps, kind of like tapering, and weights do help, I think Mostly you are not tired. :qt:

Yeah, I think you are right. I think my husband is enjoying my weight training program because I'm not so tired. During my triathlon training the weekends consisted of 60 miles bike on Saturday and 10-13 mile run on Sunday's. I was spent. It took all I could muster to drag my booty into the shower. During some of my heaviest training, I was in a state of being overtrained. One time, hubby told me he didn't like what I was making for dinner because it contained mushrooms. I almost beat him with the meat mallet I was using to pound chicken breasts.

But, whoa-oh. I have turned over a new leaf. I'm not so bitchy and tired anymore. I'm paying more attention to diet so I'm eating more healthy. I have energy to spare so I'm probably a better person to be around.(more fun to hubby) Yesterday, when I came home from my bike ride, my hubby bought me a Halloween treat. This was on my pillow just because he said he loves me. :heart:
 
I decided to try something new for dinner tonight. I've been stuck with turkey breasts, chicken breasts and salmon. I'll report on the taste later.

Pumpkin, Turkey and White Bean Chili

1 tablespoon olive oil
1 chopped onion
1 chopped orange pepper
1 chopped red pepper
3 cloves of garlic, minced
1 1/2 pounds extra lean ground turkey
1 can of Rotel chili seasoned diced tomatoes
1 can of Del Monte diced tomatoes w/jalepenos
1 can of tomato soup
2 cans of water
2 cups of canned pumpkin
1 can of white northern beans
2 tablespoons of chili powder
1/2 tsp.cumin

:Chef:

Where can I go to find out the nutritional content of a recipe? Fitday?
 
Gymgurl said:
Hi tri....let me know how it is...sounds prety good!

Dude, the chili was rockin'! Even better the next night. :Chef:

Did HIIT cardio and chest and tri's yesterday. Some guy I hadn't seen for awhile told me I was looking cut and lean. He said I looked "thicker" a few months ago. :chomp: Then asked how many calories I burn per workout.

I don't know but Cardio Breeze makes me work like a manic. I almost need a change of clothes after my 35 min. high intensity cardio because I am sweating like a champ.
 
trimojo said:
Dude, the chili was rockin'! Even better the next night. :Chef:

Did HIIT cardio and chest and tri's yesterday. Some guy I hadn't seen for awhile told me I was looking cut and lean. He said I looked "thicker" a few months ago. :chomp: Then asked how many calories I burn per workout.

I don't know but Cardio Breeze makes me work like a manic. I almost need a change of clothes after my 35 min. high intensity cardio because I am sweating like a champ.
Yeah Cardio Breeze will do that!!! Always helps me out. Works better when you use it for awhile and then don't use it for awhile.... back and forth.
 
On Tuesday, I decided my last quad exercise would be jump squats. My entire self was pretty whipped at this point.

I grabbed the olympic bar and started with 20#. Could feel some burning but decided I had more. So, I added another #15. I should have thought about this again when I struggled to get the bar and weights up and on my shoulders. I pounded out another 15 jump squats.

I was real tired now and when I tried to lift the bar back over my head and I couldn't. I was stuck. I sat down on the bench and thought if I rested for a moment, I'd have enough power left to get the bar off my shoulders. :worried:

Some guy was watching me and was more than happy to come to my rescue and remove the bar. I learned a lesson. I will wait until the squat rack is free before I increase weight for squat jumps.
 
trimojo said:
On Tuesday, I decided my last quad exercise would be jump squats. My entire self was pretty whipped at this point.

I grabbed the olympic bar and started with 20#. Could feel some burning but decided I had more. So, I added another #15. I should have thought about this again when I struggled to get the bar and weights up and on my shoulders. I pounded out another 15 jump squats.

I was real tired now and when I tried to lift the bar back over my head and I couldn't. I was stuck. I sat down on the bench and thought if I rested for a moment, I'd have enough power left to get the bar off my shoulders. :worried:

Some guy was watching me and was more than happy to come to my rescue and remove the bar. I learned a lesson. I will wait until the squat rack is free before I increase weight for squat jumps.
Awwww that's very nice of him... That happened to me once when doing good mornings though, I couldnt pop that sucker back to the front lol I was BEAT!

Love that you're doing them though!! Nice job:)
 
Gymgurl said:
Where are you??? Morning Tri
I'm not dead yet! I feel fine, I feel happy! :qt:

Just been training and eating. I quit drinking all alcohol, seemed to bloat me. It's been over 10 days now, my stomach and face look smaller. Heehehehe :evil:

I think it's time for a new lifting rountine, I've been on this plan a long time now. I need a change! I may slow it down and start doing 2 second negative and 6 second positive TUT. Hope I'm saying that correctly. I need to figure out a new plan..

Yesterday at the gym, I thought I ruptured my ear drums from my MP3 player being too loud. I kept hearing these chains clanging. I turned it down and still heard the annoying chains rattling. I glance to my right and some dudes are doing bench presses with these chains attached to the barbell. WTF is up with that? I'm such a gym dork!
 
Morning,
I'd like to start a new lifting plan on Monday. The current plan I'm following is Push/Pull I do like weight training five days a week, M-F. I do enjoy working legs 2x a week because I tend to carry fat in my hips/thighs.

I'm kind of at a loss at where to start with creating a new plan. I know how to train for a 10k, 20k, 2 mile open water swim or a century bike ride but I'm lost here. Are there some exercises you always do like squats and deads? Should I mix up my pairings of muscle groups to chest/back, bis/tris? Is there an optimum plan to follow after doing a push/pull rountine like above?

I think "theshortone" posted her leg workout awhile back and I was thinking of following that for legs days. I want something really kickass hard for the next eight weeks. I can put all of my energies into lifting right now. I'm making progress, throughly enjoying it and have enough calluses on my palms now to justify buying lifting gloves! :evil:

Any help or advice would be appreciated!
 
Hi there Tri! I think Treillijn has a great program kind fo what you need! I am going to read rhe push/pull you posted..I'll be back...........
 
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