The Results of Dianabol

[Nelson Montana]

Almost nobody does an all-D-bol cycle anymore. Message board gurus will advice adamently against it -- for several reasons. It bloats, it causes gyno, you always need some testosterone, etc, etc, etc.

Well, here's an old timer for ya...Freddy Ortiz. He's one of the stable of Weider muscle stars from the 60's. How could he possible look so amazing with only dianabol? And most likely only 20 mgs a day? And how'd he get so lean? No clen, no peptides, no ketogenic diet, no nothing.

Well, for one thing, the majority of his muscle was built naturally. So once he used the D-bol, the progress skyrocketed. Diet was also smart. Steak, eggs and salads. And he also used injectable amino acids. That was the "secret weapon" of a lot of those old timers, but it's hardly discussed anymore.

Anyway, I though y'all would get a kick out of that. And maybe a little inspiration.

 

[stevesmi]

a lot of guys of that era got gyno and got bloated, you just don't see it cause back then people had polaroid camera's lol
the ones that were able to run dbol without any sort of estrogen control who didn't have issues were just genetically lucky.

but yeah I get your point nelson, guys today all want to go for that pre-teen zyzz look. its 'the thing' today. its the whole internet generation where if you run 'only' 20mg of dbol a day you are a pussy. gotta run atleast 3 grams of gear a week plus synthol, slin, and DNP too !!

also who is the moron who came up with the 'you have to run testosterone' every cycle nonsense? I think it was probably a source who wanted to sell guys more gear. you can most certainly get great results running any compound solo. you don't have to stack at all, that is the #1 myth that gets parroted on message boards

 

[Nelson Montana]

a lot of guys of that era got gyno and got bloated, you just don't see it cause back then people had polaroid camera's lol
the ones that were able to run dbol without any sort of estrogen control who didn't have issues were just genetically lucky.

but yeah I get your point nelson, guys today all want to go for that pre-teen zyzz look. its 'the thing' today. its the whole internet generation where if you run 'only' 20mg of dbol a day you are a pussy. gotta run atleast 3 grams of gear a week plus synthol, slin, and DNP too !!

also who is the moron who came up with the 'you have to run testosterone' every cycle nonsense? I think it was probably a source who wanted to sell guys more gear. you can most certainly get great results running any compound solo. you don't have to stack at all, that is the #1 myth that gets parroted on message boards

The first case of gyno I'm familiar with was Franco Columbo in the 71 (?) Olympia. That was most likely because they started pushing the envelope with dosages. I've talked with quite a few of those old timers and believe them when they say they just took a couple of pills a day. It was MEDICINE! You didn't just triple the dosage!

Yeah, anybody can do three grams of shit and do some cardio and look pretty good. But it's false muscle. It isn't solid.

And the injectable amino thing is a big factor. I was young, but I remember guys talking about how amazing it was. I wish I would have had the chance to use it. The closest thing you'll find to that today is this: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/GEAR-p149.html

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

A little tip I picked u along the way and I still use to this day and is a very effective method of using dbol. So often dbol is associated with a lot of bloat and easy come, easy go gains with little to no gains retention. The reason for this IMO is the high dosing people have started to use. UGL's ushered in dbol in doses of 25 & 50mgs/tab. This has lead to what years ago would have been considered mega dosing of dbol. Also dbol is no longer viewed as a full time compliment to your stack, it is quite often simly viewed as a kick start or jump start until injectablles can kick in.
A method I use with dbol that was passed to me by 2 competitive bodybuilders is low dose longer duration dbol use. It consists of using dbol at a dose of only 15mgs/day split into 3-5mg doses. Dbol has a pronounced effect on both nitrogen retention and protein synthesis. By using dbol in the above manner you get good quality gains, with minimal water retention, and good gains retention as well. You almost use the dbol as an assist for the rest of your stack (which of course includes a test base). Not that it isnt doing something on its own, it definitely is but the 2 effects i mentioned above, the nitrogen retention and an increase in protein synthesis causes it to compliment the other aas you are using in your stack very nicely. Also running dbol at this low dose I have found little to no issue running it anywhere from 8-12 weeks straight. Provided i eat clean, drink plenty of water, and supplement with NAC at a dose of 1200mgs/day (or any other good cycle suport supplement I would imagine) my liver enzymes elevate but they do not reach a level I consider dangerous or a major health concern.
Im telling you next cycle you run instead of using high dose dbol as say a kick start or whatever try the low dose long duration approach. I think you will be very leased with the quality, well retained gains and if you properly manage your e2 (which this low a dose of dbol has a minimal impact on anyway) you will experience very little bloat as well. Its a nice little trick and I bet if you try it much like me you will find yourself incorporating it quite often into your stack/cycles.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

And the injectable amino thing is a big factor. I was young, but I remember guys talking about how amazing it was. I wish I would have had the chance to use it. The closest thing you'll find to that today is this: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/GEAR-p149.html

Im glad to hear the above in bold as I have my first ever bottle of this on the way to me as I type. Looking forward to trying it.

 

[muskate]

Just playing devils advocate:

Guys back then looked so good because they trained HARD and ate well. Now a days, everyone wants to do pump sets on the lateral machines and eat protein bars. Guys back then squatted, deadlifted and benched. Their diet was based around meat, eggs, fruits, vegetables etc.

A dbol only cycle is effective for sure, but you will get a lot more out of it by stacking it with a testosterone base.

 

[stevesmi]

I'm sure nelson being from NY had access to some nice gyms back when he was younger, but most of the country (i'm talking flyover country) you would have had to drive 3-4+ hours to find the nearest gym. most gyms in that time were actually boxing gyms, and you rarely saw any weight training at all. the idea of the 'modern gym' we know of today did not exist in that time. the first golds gym did not even exist until 1965 and that was in LA. do people really think that there were gyms like that in every city across the country? I hope not

 

[RADAR]

DBol only was my first cycle, this was about 40 yrs alo got a small blue bottle of german Dbol, 5mg tablets, they were nicknamed lugwigs small blue tablet about the size of this "O" right here just a tiny tad bigger but they were potent as hell. I took one 5mg mon, wed fri. I started noticing things happening about 10 days later, then after a few weeks i increased the dosage to 10mg mon,wed, fri, weeks later i went to 15mg for 3 weeks then dropped back to 10mgs this is when the strength started increasing, this cycle continued close to 6 months after 4 weeks i dropped back to 5 mg ,strength continued to go up until the entire bottle was gone (100 tabs) Bloat if any was hardly noticable, after all was said and done i went from 175 lbs to bumping 205lb, bench press my weakest exercise was 245 at the start and finished at 320lbs, Squat (my strongest Exercise) started at 315lbs and i finished at a whopping 502 lbs.
This was my first try at AAS, The owner introduced me to it and instructed me to take the cycle just like that, he said once you start taking them, getting into an anabolic state will slowly build up in your system ,made sense to me and i worked my butt off, this dbol cycle the gains were keepable and i didn't need an AI.The owner was running the same thing and was due to enter the olympics that year so i figured he knew what he was talking about, I'm glad i did it ,now sometimes i will still run that same cycle it is a relief to take a break from pinning once in a while.
Now even with injecting i have no need to go over 500mg on my test dosage and a low dosage on other things, as You train hard, eat right, get plenty of protein and rest and thats all you need for things to fall in place.

RADAR

 

[trt newbie]

good read... Coming from a guy that does zyzz cycles haha.

 

[stevesmi]

����good read... Coming from a guy that does zyzz cycles haha.

lol

here is the zyzz cycle

winny, tren, masteron, anavar, DNP, diuretics, clen, 8 cups of coffee, pre workout stimulant, eat 1200 calories a day, 2 hours of cardio, 1 hour weights.. sauna. spend 2 hours on social media showing off your body to 16 year old girls, party 3 hours with heroine and coke, pass out. wake up 2pm, rinse and repeat... nice fucking life. did I miss anything?