47 year old male using ProHormone as Base, w/ Dianabol at 25 mgs plus Arimidex 0.25 mgs, but I don't understand this response, please help--

[newjack777]

I am a 47 year old male using ProHormone as Base, w/ Dianabol at 25 mgs plus Arimidex 0.25 mgs, but I don't understand this response, please help--
by the way, I will post a Training & A.A.S. Log that helps me keep accountable & keep consistent later
I'm 5 feet 8 inches tall, 202 pounds, 13 percent bodyfat

and have ran d-bol only in the early 1990s without any AI aromatase inhibitor -- back then it wasn't even something many used, but granted I was like 24 years old then, in fact none of the dudes in the mid to late 70s ran any A.I. or even a PCT, including Arnold and Robbie Robinson they didn't

Me: (my question)

I'm thinking of having a Test base of a ProHormone (my Cernos Andro gel went missing), and 15 mgs to 20 mgs of dianabola day at my age of 47 years with arimidex on cycle at 0.5 mg (1/4 pill) every day and also arimidex for 4 weeks PCT @ 0.5 mg per day, and Nolvadex 20 mgs for 3 weeks PCT

I got 50 Arimidex pills (based on the 1/4 of a pill every other day method, each pill is 1mg, the thread mentioned 0.25mg every other day).

The arimidex on cycle at 0.25 mg every other day, should avoid the “wet” or prevent the Estrogen conversion; meaning I won't like cry over a sad TV commercial or get gyno.

I don't understand why the experienced member on a different forum is doing this?
Arimidex is just like Aromasin or however the 2nd is called .... it's an aromatase inhibitor just maybe less expensive

Experienced member Response:


So, if you can’t IM inject then taking a ProHormone like an Andro Test base topical cream would be better than no test base. Ok that’s a good test base better than nothing.

But,

You are talking about taking dbol , a very wet compound, meaning it converts heavily to estrogen. That's the reason you take it, for the E.

Then you say "I'm going to take breast cancer doses of and nuke my estrogen into the dirt."

Do you see the problem there?


You are talking about taking dbol , a very wet compound, meaning it converts heavily to estrogen. That's the reason you take it, for the E.

Then you say "I'm going to take breast cancer doses of arimidexand nuke my estrogen into the dirt."

Do you see the problem there?


The adex... the proper amount of adex on this cycle is 0mg. That's on cycle and in pct.

There are two questions you need to answer.

1 why are you taking dbol and adex together?
2 why do you think those doses of adex are appropriate?

Me: Can anyone on Elitefitness give me a basic run down of what this above ^ experienced member on a different juice forum means?
I simply don't understand why he's doing the kung fu master thing of let me throw this question at you and think on it and then come back with an answer, grasshopper

Thanx in advance, bros[/I]

 

[newjack777]

Edited above .... ^ acttually the 2nd post is a better formulation of my question. T.I.A.

 

[chesty]

@newjack777 aren't you the same guy I saw on EVO post this?

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

What is the point of this post and who are you asking to answer or clarify here ? Someone on a different site is doing kung-fu and something else ? I am just going to see if others can figure this post out.

 

[newjack777]

@newjack777 aren't you the same guy I saw on EVO post this?

evolutionary org is that EVO? with the king kong logo ? lol
no friend, I posted this elsewhere.
I gather you guys are affiliated with Evolutonary Org. w/ the king kong logo
but this was posted somewhere else in some other forum to which ya'll don't have any affiliation with
i don't understand what the heck is a "breast cancer dose of arimidex" ?
the experienced member wants me to lose sleep over this and insists he won't answer me anymore
arimidex suggested dose he says "0 mg" on cycle and pct
it's safe and effective to take 0.25 mgs of arimidex every other day to prevent Estrogen conversion and gyno
I can only guess he prefers Aromasin? which is only a little more expensive than arimidex?

 

[newjack777]

What is the point of this post and who are you asking to answer or clarify here ? Someone on a different site is doing kung-fu and something else ? I am just going to see if others can figure this post out.

the point is that the experienced member on some other forum, not this one says arimidex 0.25 mgs every other day or even every day is a "breast cancer dose" and i should not even use any arimidex

he won't give me a straight answer anymore

so isn't arimidex at 0.25 mgs every other day enough to stop bitch tits or estrogen conversion?

im taking a high dose of dbol at 25 mgs to 40 mgs per day for 8 weeks

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

Well I did find this

The dose of Arimidex is one 1 mg tablet taken once a day. For patients with advanced breast cancer, the medication should be continued until tumor progression. That is for women

When I was on 200mg of trt injections I used to take .3mg .15mg one Injection and days later another .15mg on my second injection. It worked perfectly for me I never had any isses.

 

[newjack777]

Well I did find this

The dose of Arimidex is one 1 mg tablet taken once a day. For patients with advanced breast cancer, the medication should be continued until tumor progression. That is for women

So he should have said my 0.25 mg every other day, or even 0.25 mg every day or even 0.5 mg Every Day is way too low (a breast cancer dose)

Arimidex is effective just like Aromasin the other alternative, am I right? Just Aramosin is probably more expensive.

He claims I'm taking a wet compound Dianabol at a high dose and the reason why I'm taking it is for the E (I guess he means for the Estrogen)?

I don't know why this experienced member is doing this to me....
He claims on cycle and off cycle the recommended Dose for Arimidex is 0 mg (I guess in other words: none / don't use arimidex)

That makes no sense if I'm running dianabol at 30 mgs or 25 mgs (i haven't decided yet)
I could use Arimidex

He then says almost like cryptically that Dbol and Arimidex don't go together which is weird as hell

So, I get it then....I should up or increase my Arimidex to 1 mg per day if I'm running 25 mgs to 30 mgs of dianabol for 8 weeks.

Thanks

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

I wouldn't advise running anything till the other vets chime in I was just trying to help clear up the Parr about the breast cancer dosage for women as it was part of your post. I don't want to advise you wrong on this.

 

[newjack777]

Well I did find this

The dose of Arimidex is one 1 mg tablet taken once a day. For patients with advanced breast cancer, the medication should be continued until tumor progression. That is for women

When I was on 200mg of trt injections I used to take .3mg .15mg one Injection and days later another .15mg on my second injection. It worked perfectly for me I never had any isses.

oh, ok, I saw your most recent edit
which is

When I was on 200mg of trt injections I used to take .3mg .15mg one Injection and days later another .15mg on my second injection. It worked perfectly for me I never had any isses.

arimidex can be injected, i gather, so yea 0.25 mgs x 3.5 days (every other day) = 0.875 mgs of Arimidex a week what my research revealed
that research revealed that arimidex should be taken, in a bodybuilding context, at 0.5 mg @ 2x per week which comes out to 1 mg per week (close enough to my 0.875 mgs per week)

thanks, again, Topps

 

[newjack777]

What is the point of this post and who are you asking to answer or clarify here ? Someone on a different site is doing kung-fu and something else ? I am just going to see if others can figure this post out.

this is the deal back in the day, the kung fu master like on that david carradine show that bruce lee was turned down for,

the kung fu master was a bit of an uptight older dude who would present a question to his student and ask the student to reflect on the question for a day or 2....

instead of being upfront with an answer

im simply drawing an analogy on why this other experienced member" is doing this to me, why he's being vague....
he wants me to find the answer on my own after i reflect on it? just weird

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

this is the deal back in the day, the kung fu master like on that david carradine show that bruce lee was turned down for,

the kung fu master was a bit of an uptight older dude who would present a question to his student and ask the student to reflect on the question for a day or 2....

instead of being upfront with an answer

im simply drawing an analogy on why this other experienced member" is doing this to me, why he's being vague....
he wants me to find the answer on my own after i reflect on it? just weird

Sometimes we all need help especially with compounds like these and you health nothing to second guess that is for sure.

There is and older gentlemen at my gym probably late 70s he wears shiny sliver track pants with a wife beater tucked into them and he walks around with 15lb dumbbells and does different kung-fu moves with them. I don't understand it but I can't judge the guy he is in the gym and being active which is all that matters I give him credit for that he shows up everyday.

 

[newjack777]

Sometimes we all need help especially with compounds like these and you health nothing to second guess that is for sure.

There is and older gentlemen at my gym probably late 70s he wears shiny sliver track pants with a wife beater tucked into them and he walks around with 15lb dumbbells and does different kung-fu moves with them. I don't understand it but I can't judge the guy he is in the gym and being active which is all that matters I give him credit for that he shows up everyday.

i just saw a post by Dylan G.
Arimidex vs. Aromasin
The first one is bunk
It used to be the same crap, but every elite member who posted on that thread said Aromasin or however u spell it is the better A.I.
No wonder the guy was like that Arimidex is not as good, it's a breast cancer drug, key phrase: not as good, Aromasin is a lot better. I'm still using Arimidex; im not about to throw it away or buy Aromasin now.
thanks

 

[newjack777]

"they both work" according to 1 part of this video
but Aromasin works better in pct because it increases IGf and just helps with crushing gyno. better

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

All depends not all AI are constructed equally that is a fact. Dylan has excellent videos with quality information.
Personally I've only ever needed to use Arimidex never Had any gyno or estrogen like symptoms utilizing it in smaller dosage, everyone converts at different rates some guys are prone others aren't prone luck of the draw and genetics really. Highest my estrogen ever got was 66 while on 200mg of testosterone cypionate while utilizing. .3mg Arimidex. .5 had me in the 40s if I remember correctly and back then I weighed 245lbs at 5'11
Bodyfat level also plays a factor for most although exceptions to every rule some guys are 10% or less and always need and AI because they aromatize heavily. Everyone is different.

 

[newjack777]

All depends not all AI are constructed equally that is a fact. Dylan has excellent videos with quality information.
Personally I've only ever needed to use Arimidex never Had any gyno or estrogen like symptoms utilizing it in smaller dosage, everyone converts at different rates some guys are prone others aren't prone luck of the draw and genetics really. Highest my estrogen ever got was 66 while on 200mg of testosterone cypionate while utilizing. 3mg Arimidex.
Bodyfat level also plays a factor for most although exceptions to every rule some guys are 10% or less and always need and AI because they aromatize heavily. Everyone is different.

good idea, at my age and my 13 percent bf
I'm going to lose more bodyfat before i start....
i will log later my training & diet schedule
also will be watching my carbs when i do start
thanks

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

good idea, at my age and my 13 percent bf
I'm going to lose more bodyfat before i start....
i will log later my training & diet schedule
also will be watching my carbs when i do start
thanks

No problem at all happy I could help and appreciate the conversation as that is what it is all about. Age does play a factor good point, as I've heard in the evolution podcast they said in your 30s you might not need much but into our 40s and beyond your body changes as we age and you might need and Ai now when before you didnt.

 

[Ol_Wolf]

I'm not sure why you are taking an AI on cycle unless you are experiencing high estrogen side effects? I have all my AI's on hand during a cycle, but only take them once I start having side effects. Estrogen is important also and using an AI needlessly could impact your gains because without blood work you could be driving estrogen into the gutter! So I cry at sappy movies, TV shows, and certain songs, the wife thinks its cute. As long as my nipples are not sensitive or no other signs exist I'm good!

Honestly I think AI's on cycle are some of the most over abused drugs by steroid users. Yes you need them post cycle, but your going to feel like crap anyway post cycle. Only way to avoid that is cruising on TRT.

I don't think you will be happy with your results in the end cause a guy taking sports TRT will see better results than this cycle is going to give you and he won't be damaging his kidneys and liver as bad as you are.

 

[newjack777]

This cycle is being done to gain strength and to get over a slump in my life

I have nerve damage & can't inject IM

I can pay someone to inject me, but they aren't reliable in terms of consistent access

I think 20 to 25 mgs of d-bol for 5 to 8 weeks won't do much damage in my humble opinion if I use Liv 52 and milk thistle and drink lots of water

Thanks Ol Wolf, I'll just keep the a.i. on hand in case the nipples feel sore
and do them pct

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'm not sure why you are taking an AI on cycle unless you are experiencing high estrogen side effects? I have all my AI's on hand during a cycle, but only take them once I start having side effects. Estrogen is important also and using an AI needlessly could impact your gains because without blood work you could be driving estrogen into the gutter! So I cry at sappy movies, TV shows, and certain songs, the wife thinks its cute. As long as my nipples are not sensitive or no other signs exist I'm good!

Honestly I think AI's on cycle are some of the most over abused drugs by steroid users. Yes you need them post cycle, but your going to feel like crap anyway post cycle. Only way to avoid that is cruising on TRT.

I don't think you will be happy with your results in the end cause a guy taking sports TRT will see better results than this cycle is going to give you and he won't be damaging his kidneys and liver as bad as you are.

@Ol_Wolf this is bad advice you get nasty estrogen sides inside your body and even brain damage from high estrogen, he should be using an AI whole cycle

 

[the_alcatraz]

This cycle is being done to gain strength and to get over a slump in my life

I have nerve damage & can't inject IM

I can pay someone to inject me, but they aren't reliable in terms of consistent access

I think 20 to 25 mgs of d-bol for 5 to 8 weeks won't do much damage in my humble opinion if I use Liv 52 and milk thistle and drink lots of water

Thanks Ol Wolf, I'll just keep the a.i. on hand in case the nipples feel sore
and do them pct

@newjack777 you are making a big mistake not using an aromatase inhibitor you can cause organ and brain damage for life and I would use n2guard over liv52

and why dont you start your LOG? what are you hiding? no one is helping you properly with all your injuries without seeing your log

 

[newjack777]

@newjack777 you are making a big mistake not using an aromatase inhibitor you can cause organ and brain damage for life and I would use n2guard over liv52

and why dont you start your LOG? what are you hiding? no one is helping you properly with all your injuries without seeing your log

Im using aromatase inhibitor,

Ok i will do arimidex On cycle then, 0.25 every day on cycle and also PCT

Where can i buy N2 guard? It always seems to be sold out or out of stock?

Training log to follow soon, please be patient....

 

[newjack777]

@newjack777 you are making a big mistake not using an aromatase inhibitor you can cause organ and brain damage for life and I would use n2guard over liv52

and why dont you start your LOG? what are you hiding? no one is helping you properly with all your injuries without seeing your log

I found n2guard

it's too expensive for me

I will only be doing 25 mgs of dianabol for 6 weeks and the superandro4 cream

*I will add Tudca 500 mgs 1x per day along with Liv 52

Tudca is a liver support supp, that's highly rated by that Connecticut medical doctor and bodybuilder. I forgot his name, but he has an Irish American last name

I attached a pic of Tudca.... the label looks beat up but it's sealed and doesn't expire till the middle of next yr 2024

 

[newjack777]

I'm at a slump in my life and im taking basically HIV doses of anabolic steroids to increase strength

I know you want to see my log but as long as I do higher reps in good form at a slower cadence, I won't get any injuries.

I plan on counteracting any anxiety with a low dose of Klonipin (a benzo) also

I've got Fadogia Agrestis and 1,000 mgs of Tribulus on deck for PCT also

With those types of herbs in my PCT and with Nolvadex and Arimdex and considering the safe low dose of 20 mgs of dianabol for 6 weeks, the sides should be low, yet I'd be able to get enough strength and muscle mass in order to be Natty for the rest of my life. This PCT regimen will also make me feel less crappy and my mood should be good.

If you remember what FDR said about being allies with Stalin : "we will hold hands with them just to cross the bridge and after we do, we will let go"

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I'm at a slump in my life and im taking basically HIV doses of anabolic steroids to increase strength

I know you want to see my log but as long as I do higher reps in good form at a slower cadence, I won't get any injuries.

I plan on counteracting any anxiety with a low dose of Klonipin (a benzo) also

I've got Fadogia Agrestis and 1,000 mgs of Tribulus on deck for PCT also

With those types of herbs in my PCT and with Nolvadex and Arimdex and considering the safe low dose of 20 mgs of dianabol for 6 weeks, the sides should be low, yet I'd be able to get enough strength and muscle mass in order to be Natty for the rest of my life. This PCT regimen will also make me feel less crappy and my mood should be good.

If you remember what FDR said about being allies with Stalin : "we will hold hands with them just to cross the bridge and after we do, we will let go"

@newjack777 you want to take benzos and steroids and fix other issues? I don't see how thats going to help you.
20mgs dbol is going to do NOTHING but hurt your results and make you feel horrible when you get off.

the question I have is why don't you start a LOG journal? even if you dont have higher or lower reps lets see what you're doing

 

[the_alcatraz]

I found n2guard

it's too expensive for me

I will only be doing 25 mgs of dianabol for 6 weeks and the superandro4 cream

*I will add Tudca 500 mgs 1x per day along with Liv 52

Tudca is a liver support supp, that's highly rated by that Connecticut medical doctor and bodybuilder. I forgot his name, but he has an Irish American last name

I attached a pic of Tudca.... the label looks beat up but it's sealed and doesn't expire till the middle of next yr 2024

@newjack777 if you can't afford to properly cycle maybe take a step back and save money and strain natural for now

tudca alone is nothing like n2guard and n2guard has tudca and a lot more

N2Guard

Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids (AAS) have many negative side-effects on the human body. Only some of the negative effects from steroid use are noticeable, most are silent and go undetected like a slow killer building up over time. N2Guard is the all-in-one steroid cycle support product specifically de

www.evolutionary.org

Im using aromatase inhibitor,

Ok i will do arimidex On cycle then, 0.25 every day on cycle and also PCT

Where can i buy N2 guard? It always seems to be sold out or out of stock?

Training log to follow soon, please be patient....

@newjack777 you listed nolvadex seems .25mgs arimidex you mean? and dbol only bad idea

and n2guard is always in stock

N2Guard. The most complete formula ever designed to be used by competitive Bodybuilders!

N2Guard was designed to lower blood pressure, remove excess water bloat, and lower bad cholesterol while increasing HDL.

www.needtobuildmuscle.com

 

[newjack777]

@newjack777 you want to take benzos and steroids and fix other issues? I don't see how thats going to help you.
20mgs dbol is going to do NOTHING but hurt your results and make you feel horrible when you get off.

the question I have is why don't you start a LOG journal? even if you dont have higher or lower reps lets see what you're doing

Log journal will be started soon.

I carried a notebook back in the 90s when most people didn't have ANYTHING, because it looked nerdy Lol so if anyone is familiar with logging, it's definitely me, I don't just work out on a wing & a prayer, w/o taking notes. How else can I know to add weights or reps at the next session?

I follow the Joe Weider approach, the standard 4 day workout session...

Here's a framework of the journal:

Tues: Chest & Shoulders
Wed.:: Back & Biceps & Legs
Thurs. Off
Fri: Chest & Shoulders
Sat Back & Biceps & Legs

*all of them for 8-12 reps

Eating tuna fish and an apple (eating every 3 hours) for 3-4 x per day

Drink almost a gallon of water for joint health

Plant based burgers with zero (o) chloresterol, that's what it says on the box

Oatmeal for breakfast

I'm not a youngin hard gainer Lol....so, I don't need a whole lot of meals

Cycle:

4TestSuperAndro gel (a prohormone) for 42 days (6 weeks) acts as a Test. base
dianabol 25 mgs per day
Arimidex on cycle 0.25 mgs per day on cycle (that's taking a 1 mg pill and breaking it into 4)

Cycle support:
1) Tudca, (for LIver Health)
2) Milk Thistle (for LIver Health)
3) Liv. 52 for Liver Health
4) Fish Oil, (for Heart Health)
5) a Statin (dr-prescribed) (to Control Chloresterol)
6) a high blood pressure med (also dr. prescribed)
7) 81 mgs of aspirin to avoid thickening blood & avoid clotting
8) Klonipin (dr. prescribed) for anti-anxiety and depression & 0.25 mgs per day--also keeps BP Low)

PCT:
Nolvadex 20 mgs for 4 weeks
Arimidex 0.25 mgs for 4 weeks
Fedogia (herbal) every day for 4 weeks
Korean Ginseng (herbal) every day
Tribulus 1,000 mgs every day
Klonipin (dr. prescribed) for anti-anxiety and depression & 0.25 mgs per day

(you're telling me with that much Herbals above, I'm going to be Depressed post cycle, I don't think so , in my Humble Opinion)

As you can see this is a lightweight "safe" cycle and regimen to get back on track, I dont want to be a mass monster, I'm in my 50s for all intents & purposes
Thanks

 

[the_alcatraz]

Log journal will be started soon.

I carried a notebook back in the 90s when most people didn't have ANYTHING, because it looked nerdy Lol so if anyone is familiar with logging, it's definitely me, I don't just work out on a wing & a prayer, w/o taking notes. How else can I know to add weights or reps at the next session?

I follow the Joe Weider approach, the standard 4 day workout session...

Here's a framework of the journal:

Tues: Chest & Shoulders
Wed.:: Back & Biceps & Legs
Thurs. Off
Fri: Chest & Shoulders
Sat Back & Biceps & Legs

*all of them for 8-12 reps

Eating tuna fish and an apple (eating every 3 hours) for 3-4 x per day

Drink almost a gallon of water for joint health

Plant based burgers with zero (o) chloresterol, that's what it says on the box

Oatmeal for breakfast

I'm not a youngin hard gainer Lol....so, I don't need a whole lot of meals

Cycle:

4TestSuperAndro gel (a prohormone) for 42 days (6 weeks) acts as a Test. base
dianabol 25 mgs per day
Arimidex on cycle 0.25 mgs per day on cycle (that's taking a 1 mg pill and breaking it into 4)

Cycle support:
1) Tudca, (for LIver Health)
2) Milk Thistle (for LIver Health)
3) Liv. 52 for Liver Health
4) Fish Oil, (for Heart Health)
5) a Statin (dr-prescribed) (to Control Chloresterol)
6) a high blood pressure med (also dr. prescribed)
7) 81 mgs of aspirin to avoid thickening blood & avoid clotting
8) Klonipin (dr. prescribed) for anti-anxiety and depression & 0.25 mgs per day--also keeps BP Low)

PCT:
Nolvadex 20 mgs for 4 weeks
Arimidex 0.25 mgs for 4 weeks
Fedogia (herbal) every day for 4 weeks
Korean Ginseng (herbal) every day
Tribulus 1,000 mgs every day
Klonipin (dr. prescribed) for anti-anxiety and depression & 0.25 mgs per day

(you're telling me with that much Herbals above, I'm going to be Depressed post cycle, I don't think so , in my Humble Opinion)

As you can see this is a lightweight "safe" cycle and regimen to get back on track, I dont want to be a mass monster, I'm in my 50s for all intents & purposes
Thanks

@newjack777 ok good framework so start your LOG journal already open a new thread and start diet training part as you get cycle together

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