Strength Standards

[Andalite]

I agree with musketeer actually. I think for me it all depends on a bunch of key exercises and how much a person can lift for that particular exercise. Bodyweight, etc means nothing actually. My big 5 exercises which really tells how strong a person is are:

1.) Deadlifts
2.) Front Squats
3.) Overhead Squats
4.) Overhead Press
5.) Pull-ups (done weighted for a 3RM)

Anyone who has an impressive ### on any of the above 5 exercises is (to me) very very strong. Also, like Musketeer said: someone who can squat 1000 lbs but fail at a 500 lbs front squat is NOT strong to me.

 

[ExtraMile]

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sorry for the slight thread hijack


I agree that raw PLing is a better test of strength than the multicanvas stuff where guys have trouble getting the bar to touch their chest on the benchpress and stuff like that.

andalite are you and a few others saying that stats dont effect your strength and the only real way to measure is the actual weight you lift?

So would a 130lb high school kid who could deadlift 315 be weaker in your opinion that a 200lb adult who could deadlift 350?

 

[artificialaspirations]

I still think raw is the only true way to measure strength, except for maybe a belt for deads and squats. But I can understand why powerlifters like the gear, it keeps them safer and lets them put up higher numbers.

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

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MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

 

[Tblock1]

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

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MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

Yeah those powerlifting standards are a pretty good way to access strength. However on your bodyweight standards I'd say those numbers are perfect to be considered a "good" lifter, but you need to be lifting more to be considered truly strong. I follow your log and hope you get better soon dude!!!

 

[Tblock1]

I agree with musketeer actually. I think for me it all depends on a bunch of key exercises and how much a person can lift for that particular exercise. Bodyweight, etc means nothing actually. My big 5 exercises which really tells how strong a person is are:

1.) Deadlifts
2.) Front Squats
3.) Overhead Squats
4.) Overhead Press
5.) Pull-ups (done weighted for a 3RM)

Anyone who has an impressive ### on any of the above 5 exercises is (to me) very very strong. Also, like Musketeer said: someone who can squat 1000 lbs but fail at a 500 lbs front squat is NOT strong to me.

I'm sorry Andalite but I think that you can't not include the bench press. No matter how over rated people think the bench is it does tell very well how much upper body pushing strength you have. And also overhead squats are great and all but they are not really a good test of strength, and more a test of flexibility. Many guys who are extremely strong are not going to be able to overhead squat a lot. However I do think front squats are a better test of strength than back squats.

 

[SaiBoT]

I'm sorry Andalite but I think that you can't not include the bench press. No matter how over rated people think the bench is it does tell very well how much upper body pushing strength you have. And also overhead squats are great and all but they are not really a good test of strength, and more a test of flexibility. Many guys who are extremely strong are not going to be able to overhead squat a lot. However I do think front squats are a better test of strength than back squats.

Overhead press is a much more accurate measurement of upperbody strength than the bench press even when you are standing and need to push forward close grip inclined bench is the nr 1 exercise and actually Charles Poliquin uses this exercise to determine how good an athlete on upperbody pressing strength.

About overhead squats i'll just say is only after you get past the flexibilty issues and start working on some serious strength that you will be able to understand it. Someone who gets to handle heavy weight on overhead squats gets to have fully functional pressing strength and a core of steel.

 

[Andalite]

Overhead press is a much more accurate measurement of upperbody strength than the bench press even when you are standing and need to push forward close grip inclined bench is the nr 1 exercise and actually Charles Poliquin uses this exercise to determine how good an athlete on upperbody pressing strength.

About overhead squats i'll just say is only after you get past the flexibilty issues and start working on some serious strength that you will be able to understand it. Someone who gets to handle heavy weight on overhead squats gets to have fully functional pressing strength and a core of steel.

^^^ Agreed, naturally

 

[moya]

i'll repeat it again... wilks score dammit...
im pretty sure thats where the table of totals AA posted were derived from...

 

[moya]

oh, on that table im pretty damn close to master level if i lift @148... but with knee wraps, which are considered allowable in some raw feds...

 

[the_alcatraz]

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

I would fit in the class 1 category for the 198 lbs. I could move up to Master if I work on those lifts for a few months.