My Training Journal

[miked8c]

Not trying to be a downer, but that tunnel vision and huge pump you got was a result of your first time using jack3d, even if it was just a scoop.

As you may or may not know I have used that stuff for about a year total, it became a staple of my workout and without it I could simply not workout. At my highest I was taking about 3 heaping scoops of that concoction.

I stopped at the beginning of this summer once I realized that I could hardly feel it anymore despite my massive doses, and I read up that it can give you some serious stim dick.

Now I can workout just as well as I could on jack3d, however my pumps are definitely not as big. However my strength has kept improving.


Moral of the story: EM you have some great dedication and motivation, taking jack3d regularly will only hinder you, you don't need it.

If you want pre workouts look into ones without stims and maybe just pop a caffeine pill with a stim free pre workout before you go to the gym, thats what I do.

 

[Tblock1]

advising him to pop a caffeine pill and not use stims in kind of pointless because caffeine is one of the stronger and more habituating stimulants in jacked. I dont see anything wrong with occasionally using some jacked before workouts but obviously keep it to the rare occasion

 

[miked8c]

A caffeine pill has 200 mg of caffeine, a stiff cup of coffee.

Its a little something that will help you get your ass in gear before a workout, nothing to the extent of jack3d. Most people have over 200 mg's a day in their morning cup of joe.

Jack3d, on the other hand, has some hard stims in it. The most prominent being 1,3 dimethalyne(sp), this will test positive as an amphetamine on quite a few drug tests for both college sports and the military. Look it up.

As many of you know 1,3 also leads to an effect known as "stim dick", can you say "Bye, Bye Boner"?

This is just one of the many stims in jack3d, another being theophynilline which is often used as a prescription drug. Read my logs, I used to be a jack3d fanatic but as of lately I have realized it is just not worth it.

A simple caffiene pill is Nothing compared to jack3d. BTW jack3d has 70 mg of caffiene per scoop, most people end up using 3.

 

[Tblock1]

still what I'm saying stands. Try taking 200 mg of caffeine before every workout for 1 months. Then go to a workout without taking it and you will possibly have headaches or at the very least not be able to workout as well. And that thing about Methylhexanamine causing false positives on drug tests is a load of shit. It's the classic thing: some guy who has been taking jack3d see the "meth" prefix in methylhexanamine and notes that jack3d gave him some good stimulation in the gym (as any formula with a bunch of mild stimulants combined will). He immediatly starts telling his buddies how it has some hard core shit in it, etc, and soon the rumor spreads. That or the fact that people getting positives on drug tests are defintiely looking for excuses as to why they tested positive.

In addition, theophylline was removed after the initial run of jack3d quite a few years ago

 

[ExtraMile]

mike i agree totally which is why i said im not buying a tub of jack3d. You're right about the 1,3Dimethylamylamine, that is also used in high doses as a party drug. I am very insensitive to stims though, and I wouldnt want to be popping caffeine pills pre workout. I dont have any intention to use pre workout products, I just had a sample of jack3d kicking and thought I might aswell give it a try.

tblock: I wouldnt be suprised if 1,3 Dimethylamylamine tests positive as drug use since it is on a molecular level quite close to amphetamines, and like I said it has been used as a party drug, I think New Zealand are currently trying to get a ban on it. You're right about caffeine though, I took a green tea extract supp for a while about a year ago without realising each pill had 80mg of caffeine, taking two pills twice a day. Once I stopped I got massive headaches every day for the few days following. I've had this before following periods of drinking a lot of strong coffee.

Deadlift day today:

Deadlifts
132 x 5
176 x 5
220 x 3
264 x 2
308 x 1
352 x 2 ugly

Standing Calf Raise
rest pause set: 143 x 28-12-10

Walking DB Lunges
55's x 12 each leg x 3 sets

Lying Leg Curl
95 x 12
95 x 8
80 x 8

Weighted Decline Situps
4 sets of 12

Trying to be explosive on deadlifts and it just makes my form go to shit; hips shot up and back rounded. Wierd because I did 363 off low blocks last week and managed to keep good form...

 

[ExtraMile]

Got my 531 weights sorted for everything except OHP which I will test on Monday. I dialed my DL estimated max back a little to keep my form decent. I pulled 352 yesterday for 2 reps but left some in the tank because I just thought what is the point in getting in a few more reps that look like shit?

Ill be lifting 3x a week so 9 days before repeating the same workout, but each muscle group will be hit every 5 days. My squat and DL days will be lower body workouts and my bench and ohp will be upper body.

 

[Tblock1]

even if it was ugly good job on 352x2. Any decent drug tests these days should not have a positive for something like 1,3 Dimethylamylamine. However before recent years it's possible some tests could have had a false positive

also if you have ever tried a real amphetamine the legal alternatives just cant compare to the real thing, there is a major difference between say 1,3 Dimethylamylamine and dextroamphetamine. The amount of euphoria and focus you will get from the second will be much stronger, and in addition you will have much less harsh jitteryness and overstimulation (in proper doses). However dont try amphetamines haha

 

[ExtraMile]

warmed up with light side raises and presses with the empty bar

BB OHP
Worked up to 110x10 (PR)
then 121x3 - this set was shitty

Wide Grip Chins
15
10
8
7
5

Incline DB
61's x 10
66's x 8
72's x 6

Low Incline Flye
33's x 10 x 3

Lying BB Tri Ext 5 sets of 8-12
supersetted with
Incline DB Curls 5 sets of 6-10

BB OHP is such an awkward and annoying lift...

 

[coreygb]

Aw come on now. BB OHP is possibly my favorite lift. There is nothing more satisfiying than shoving heavy shit over your head.

 

[ExtraMile]

Aw come on now. BB OHP is possibly my favorite lift. There is nothing more satisfiying than shoving heavy shit over your head.

a lot of people say that but it's not for me

feels awkward, I never feel like I can really explode into the bar like I can on a benchpress and I find it very hard to make progress on

and nothing is gayer than getting psyched ready to lift a bar that doesnt even have a 45 on each side... lol